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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
If you were to witness a miracle along with several other individuals how would you respond? By miracle I am speaking of an occurence that defies set physical laws, like healing a cripple instantaneously.
There are two likely responses:- to consider it a delusion or a well played trick. - to realize that what just occurred, science cannot explain. I am not asking for opinions on whether miracles actually exist but to hear how you would respond to seeing a miracle and why. The first response would be to stick to reasoning that only allows for natural happenings. The other response would be to accept that science cannot explain the whole realm of everything in our universe and that there is some higher, nontangible power (God, Satan, Buddha, etc...lets not get into details)
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Well, if it happened, it can't very well have defied any laws, right? I don't understand how you would know that a miracle occured in the first place. Something that appears to "defy natural law" merely means we didn't understand the laws completely in the first place. There could be instances where laws could be reinterpreted, but I meant scenarios where any and all natural laws cannot account for what happened. For example, my dad attended a very charismatic and Spirit-filled church when he was growing up and there was a man in their congregation who had a glass eyeball. A group of people prayed with and for the man and his glass eyeball miraculously changed into a real one. This did happen as far I know but I'm just using this as an example. You could examine each eyewitnesses account but that's not the point. If you did see this happen, without a doubt in your mind, as well as other people, it would imply the supernatural not natural. This message has been edited by daaaaaBEAR, 02-15-2005 17:44 AM
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
My initial response is: "Cool Beans! Wonder how they did it?" But since I have no medical background, I have no way to investigate, so the curiosity stops there. I don't think it's necessary to have a medical background to realize that what just happened can't be medically explained. Maybe a lesser miracle would require medical investigation but I'm talking about a miracle that would be differentiated from medical explanation by common sense. thanks for the thorough definition. This message has been edited by daaaaaBEAR, 02-15-2005 17:33 AM
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Take this scenario. You are a man living in the 16th century. One night, you woke up in the middle of the night and you realize that you can't move. There appears to be something on top of you pressing down hard. You try to look and look and it looks like a dark disfigured human that is sitting on your chest. By now, you are completely awake and you are completely paralyzed. You try to scream for help but you can't even control your own breath. You are completely paralyzed. My question to you is would you consider this a supernatural experience? Depends, I guess you wouldn't know unless somebody else saw it happening or it just can't be explained at the moment. But there are instances where no explanation could ever be reached unless you accept supernatural power. Jesus told a lame man to walk and he did, he rubbed mud on a man's eyes and he gained his sight. These miracles did not occur in secrecy but among a horde of followers who all witnessed the same thing. What if you were one in the crowd? If you lost an arm and a man came up and reattached it (without medical apparatus) to full ability would you ever be able to explain that?
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
No, from what you explained I would not consider that supernatural. Neither could it be concluded that it wasn't supernatural.
Also, there has been zero (nada) documented case of healing of amputated limbs. To bring it up is like me saying, "let's assume that you're a moron... therefore you're a moron." (Yes, I'm a little childish.) I said If, just a possibility, geez freak out. And why would any sane doctor document a case of healing an amputated arm by pure miracle, they would send him to an asylum. All that can be concluded is the accounts of other people who have witnessed miracles.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
Yes, ever. If a man just picked up your arm and just kinda fit it where it belong with severed bone, veins, skin and all.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
I'm getting sick of these one-word responses jar, it doesn't help at all. If you think that miracles can't be explained because we only know so much, then what makes you so sure that we know in say 500 years would explain a miraculous incident.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
if this option has been ruled out, and there is no natural explantion for what i saw, and all the other witnesses don't have a psychotic condition.. That's key, that others in the same group witnessing the same thing are all mentally stable. It would be easy to be skeptical and discredit one person's testimony but if there's several who claim they saw the same thing then it leads to greater evidence that it actually happened. Unless one would consider everybody psychotic....
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
To say that there are things which will never, ever be explained is simply silly. We don't know what will not only be possible but commonplace in the future except to say that it would seem miraculous to primitive people like you and me. That's pretty ignorant jar since you can't explain how the big bang got it's energy, or how I can feel the presence of God in my life. I think your making a huge mistake by assuming that our advanced technology in the future will explain miracles. If Marco Polo time warped to February 15, 2005 he would think cars and computers and cellphones would be miraculous but that's way different than seeing a severed hand crawl across the table (Adams Family). Unexplainable miracles are simply unexplainable whether you lived 2005 B.C. or 2005 A.D.
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daaaaaBEAR Inactive Member |
How is it different? wow.....well let's see. You could explain the process of how cars were invented and how the machines that build them work and Marco Polo could understand it. How could you explain a severed hand crawling across a table, YOU CAN'T, unless you realize that some supernatural power is moving that hand. Jar, I'm sorry but this is where I realize how truly blind you choose to be, I don't want you to be like this. I pray that God will reveal himself to you and his eternal purpose for your life by salvation in Jesus Christ.
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