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Saviourmachine
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Message 211 of 300 (183036)
02-04-2005 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Brad McFall
02-02-2005 7:01 AM


Hi Brad, have you read "Stranger in a strange land" [Robert A. Heinlein]?

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 212 of 300 (183054)
02-04-2005 9:05 AM
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02-04-2005 7:57 AM


No, the land is Western Ny of a jersey boy. It's not my fault that I was the grandchild of the man who new the creatures of the western tier better than anyoneesle from the Dakotas with cross mississipii knowledge.
I thought from that that Africa would be endemically so much visually different than the pine barrens. It was not. When I had a 4.07 Cornell freshmann avearge and was in the top half dozen of the AG school students but a little difficultly with Aayo genetics
Page not found - UCI Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
text (there is not an integration of geneotype vs phenotype throughout but implicit)
http://www.campusi.com/title_Modern_Genetics.htm
and simplistic teaching of group theory as I took graduate courses as a sophomore etc,the health center wanted me to read THE OUTSIDER. I didnt, I am not even outside the French Quater NOLA, but who knows?

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 213 of 300 (183057)
02-04-2005 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by berberry
02-04-2005 3:19 AM


Re: Heavy Metal
You had said,
quote:
What I'm most interested in hearing you discuss on tape is your view on creationism and evolution. I've read a number of your posts on those topics but I still don't have a clear idea of where you stand.
Dr.Morris crucially said, [qs][b]On the other hand, he emphasizes that "intelligent design" is not "scientific creationism" in his chapter 3 (pp. 41-44). The chapter begins with the assertion: "Intelligent design needs to be distinguished from creation science, or scientific creationism." [/qs][[/b]
in Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research
This "or" here is vitally important if you are to understand ME, creationism and evolution. Yes, it is not in the clear audio form as you have requested. I will get there if that is what you really want. What I think can be accessed by surfing around EVC. I have written what Dr.Morris wrote to me as "creation and biology" WITHIN the three word(s) "creation science", "scientific creationism" and Biblical Creationism". I suppose at this point it would be my responsibility to site search these words and rewrite the posts for things you might have missed, as if I find any.. ID is free to seperate itself from conservative creationism of any color but I have said and can say in many ways that I can criticize evolutionary theory, I think this is a mistake. In the TV i did, I seperate the language of Phil of Johnson within a simple diagram of the relation of creation ex nihlio, evolution by a theory of forces and two nonUS derived readings I called philosophical mathematics and philosophical chemistry. I have not opened up a direct discussion of these distinctions on the net as I have wanted people to "get the video". But perhaps with my new technical means I can simply repurpose those broadcasts.
Now, if the IDers want to distance BOTH creation science & scientific creationism FROM ID, and Dr. Morris is not someone who is not to be trusted on this colorful issue, that is ok FOR THEM, but I SEE THAT as a BOOLEAN distinction not a simple dichtomy. I would have to espress this in terms of Booles Rules of Thought for that to make any sense but do understand, it is not possible to understand what I have written IN baraminology unless this difference is noT a logical one but a necessary one in the history of creation scientists' work. Ruse had made some issue about the term "creation science" but I had already appropratied it for my own use. I however HAVE not done the same with Dr. H's use of the words "creation and biology" which I do agree with him seems to have Lammerts a bit off the real radar that He and perhaps Lane Lester were on.
I had slipped this in above under dubious words "christian science" having heard NPR talk about Metallica and this group distancing itself from that religion BUT I wrote the avatar on the left on bus back from NY City listening to a Christian Scientist talk on all things upstate while Cornell students opened notebook after notebook but did not see the fox in the woods as we sped past the southern tier.

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5054 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 214 of 300 (183061)
02-04-2005 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Juhrahnimo
02-04-2005 12:11 AM


Re: hey,
Ok, perhaps you can be a little more specific. I'm 40.
I dont like looking at email and I dont always recognize new names immediately especially if the subject is (none).
Thanks for this reminder. I probably would have deleted without reading if you didnt mention it. That wont happen now.
When I had responded to LAM I had had some idea what he was about but I dont have much of any idea bout you.

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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 3645
From: Indianapolis, IN
Joined: 03-29-2004


Message 215 of 300 (183072)
02-04-2005 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Brad McFall
02-04-2005 9:40 AM


Re: hey,
Thanks for the compliment, Brad.

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
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Message 216 of 300 (183081)
02-04-2005 11:51 AM
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02-04-2005 10:59 AM


Re: hey
not that this is what you are about. I posted here only for more visibility

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5054 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 217 of 300 (183256)
02-05-2005 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by berberry
02-04-2005 3:19 AM


Re: Heavy Metal
One of the responses contains some design notes for instantiating entropy as a texture node within a Java class strucutre that simulatesan organism by trying to manifest macrothermodyanmics in VRMLhistory. Seeing that Percy is already up to this snuff. I'll wait till have more "program" to show for it. The other post while relying a bit on Derrida's response to authors in "Questioning Derrida, With his replies on philosophy" makes a judgement about Dawkin's use of the word "blueprint" four times around some collasal painting in what ARE postively two pieces of Kantian innates but that itself does sound a bit too DEconstructive still so I'll wait for that as well. I am not all that interested in giving any interest to all kinds of cutting of the body when the tail I saw always differently than Apostate Ape. One should try to understand that just as the scale does not always a feather feel the toe a tail does not make the in the difference of young vs old cell death genes of tadpoles become. Thus the end of a snake or a lizard IS different from that of a tailed frog vs a Hellbender but this IS NOTHING like comparing the salt behind a bird with the squirrel in the GEIKO commerical and that also ISNT all that different from the various kinds of tails in mammals but there is a clinamen the Anaxagorian empiricisms nonetheless. This is serious stuff and I appreciate those who can hold off for a while.

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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 498 days)
Posts: 3645
From: Indianapolis, IN
Joined: 03-29-2004


Message 218 of 300 (183701)
02-07-2005 11:46 AM


Individual evolution at work in Brad?
Or did someone kill the old Brad and replace him with a new and improved Brad version?
His posts have been much much much clearer lately. I could actually understand most of what he's saying nowadays. Furthermore, for the first time in the history of EvC, Brad helped someone else understand a fellow member's post. Read the thread here.

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Aximili23
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Message 219 of 300 (183714)
02-07-2005 1:47 PM


how naive of me!
This thread is funny! An entire discussion devoted to the incomprehensibility of one person!
Being new at this forum and not knowing Brad's reputation, I recently made the silly mistake of attempting to engage him in a meaningful discussion. (See Message 8) Fortunately Schrafinator gave me a friendly warning before I proceeded further. Anyway, I just now stumbled upon this thread, and realized just how misguided my attempt was!
But really, how can anyone write nearly 2000 posts of such, well, weirdness?

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coffee_addict
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Posts: 3645
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Message 220 of 300 (183715)
02-07-2005 1:53 PM
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02-07-2005 1:47 PM


Re: how naive of me!
It has always been my belief that Brad is God disguised as a person mocking us. In the old days, kings sometimes walked among his people pretending to be an ordinary person. I think we have such a case here.

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Quetzal
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Message 221 of 300 (183717)
02-07-2005 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Aximili23
02-07-2005 1:47 PM


Re: how naive of me!
I really like Brad. Sometimes I think he's like a Greek oracle holding the keys to life, the universe and everything if only we could understand him. Other times, of course, I think of him more as one of those eccentric uncles you keep locked up in the attic and don't mention in polite company.
I honestly wish I understood him. Skimming his posts you can discern occasional bits of true genius and a great deal of knowledge, as well as a finely-honed self-deprecating sense of humor. Maybe someday...

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berberry
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Message 222 of 300 (183736)
02-07-2005 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Quetzal
02-07-2005 1:57 PM


Re: how naive of me!
Quetzal writes:
quote:
I really like Brad.
So do I, very much. I know he must get frustrated trying to tell us things we can't understand. I just hope he never gets so frustrated that he quits posting. That would be a loss for us.
quote:
Skimming his posts you can discern occasional bits of true genius and a great deal of knowledge, as well as a finely-honed self-deprecating sense of humor. Maybe someday...
From my perspective he's become somewhat easier to understand recently. It sometimes requires more than one reading to get his point, but if the post is relatively short a second read-through can be rewarding. Another thing that can help is to google the names that he drops.

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Brad McFall
Member (Idle past 5054 days)
Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 223 of 300 (183738)
02-07-2005 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Aximili23
02-07-2005 1:47 PM


post in process please sleep on it.
By ME at least getting something out of the interaction. Indeed you came up againt the whole weave, and I dont mean the blond! I have had to do BACK the the library and doe some digging but I was not disappointed. You will have some just deserts as soon as I get my wits end. I am not Anthony Hopkins.
As for Shraf, well, I liked her picture but I have never had any really extended conversation with her. Maybe someday. I have glanced over at her posts, now and then, to see if I might join her jumping competition but still I have not found the best looked hook.
So NO, you were actually perferctly guided by her. and i would like to give her the shout out from here.
If you took Descarte's wax for the metric in morphospace rather than Faraday's candle you can err UNLESS you had under this belt the entire modern biophilosophy of biology. Notice I did not say that you Aximill did (but I learned something nonetheless) as I wouldnt recommend that diet to anyone ( I often spit out much of it before it is abstractly digested and who knows how many ulcers I have had to spleen for the hair as a cyberfiber) but if you are up for the phenomenona, go for it.
IF ONE THINKS MORPHOSPACE IS A METRIC OF DESCARTE’S WAX yOu ERR SHORT OF ACCEPTING THE ENTIRE CURENT PARADIGM OF BIOPHILOSOPHY BUT YOU NEED NOT READ THIS LITERATURE IF onE SIMPLY T00K THE MALLEABILITY TO BE FARADY’S CANDLE INSTEAD. Softness vs lightness were dealt with by Maxwell. There was such a thing as electrical images in science before technology. There was an objection to the used final cause but not even the psychiatrist can be said today to have heard it. Instead they try new drugs and ask if you ever thought you were a fictional Messiah. You could try to sense that the objection does not get us closer to the transitive asymmetrical relationship that have been part of the tradition in creationism but if you only found that being objected the subject of clade logic was not furthered you would not be far from truth. It is possible for evolutionary theory to gain say this but with the objection we get the subject and that DOES depend on what comparisons are being dissected. There are even alternatives if one discounted Gould. That would not be advised even if before his last book it might have been the temptation.
Lead us not into temptation but deliver from evilModern Psychiatry illegally took time from biologists in order to gain time to test drugs on patient patients experiementally. Time is not on our side.
P195 In the Blind Watchmaker 1986 Richard Dawkins had next to an illustration for Chapter 8 Explosions and Spirals Shortly, after my first book, ‘The Selfish Gene’, was published, I was independently approached by two clergymen, who had both arrived at the same analogy between ideas in the book and the doctrine of original sin. Darwin applied the idea of evolution in a discriminating way to living organisms changing in body form over many generations. His successors have been tempted to see evolution in everything;
So EVC could all know from Patterson 1978 So, at present, we are left with neo-Darwinism theory: that evolution has occurred, and has been directed mainly by natural selection, with random contributions from genetic drift, and perhaps the occasional hopeful monster. In this form, the theory is not scientific by Popper’s standards. Indeed Popper calls the theory of evolution not a scientific theory but a metaphysical research programme. He means that though the theory is closer to metaphysics than to science, accepting it as true gives us a research programme, a new way of looking at and investigating the world. And through this research programme we can make progress in Science. Popper offers this; ‘If the progress is significant, then the new problems will differ from the old problems: the new problems will be on a radically different level of depth: It is surely true that the problems which occupy today’s workers in molecular evolution are on a radically different level, of depth from those which interested mid-Victorian evolutionists.
Gavin De Beer introduced in 1973 Darwin’s bombshell of evolution, which burst in 1859, had a profound effect on the concept of the explanation of homology, but without touching the criteria by which it is established. At one stroke, it was obvious that metaphysical ‘archetypes’ do not exist, and that homology between organs is based on their correspondence with representatives in a common ancestor of the organisms being compared, from which they were descended in evolution.quote Sir William Flower: We may call this conformity to type, without getting nearer to an explanation of the phenomenon, but is it not powerfully suggestive of true relationship, of inheritance from a common ancestor?
But because Carter had said, This being so, we cannot expect any large discussion of evolution by eighteenth-century biologists. The subject is mentioned by many but usually only as an aside; it was not a subject in which they were greatly interested. It was also a dangerous subject, for even in the eighteenth century the power of the Church was considerable in many countries, and not to be lightly opposed. Buffon, for instance, finds it necessary to mention the possibility that one species may be derived from another, though he finds great difficulties in that view. He also says of quadrupeds that they may perhaps be reducted to a few families from which all the rest may be derived. After a supposition that all the species in these families may be derived from one, he adds the doubtfully sincere sentence — ‘But no, it is certain, by revelation, that all animals have equally enjoyed the grace of creation’. He was forced in 1751 by the Sorbonne to recant on the possibility of the derivation of one species from another.p30-1 a hundred years of evolution by GSCarter.
And Sheppard thought p173Natural Selection and Heredity Two diverging populations may, however, have reached a stage at which they are sufficiently distinct for the hybrids between them to be a great disadvantage, but not sufficiently distinct for no hybridiszation to occur. In these circumstances the two forms will probably evolve into full species, as pointed out by Dobshansky.
While Dunn historicized, nevertheless he made no broad claim of application beyond the actual experimental data. He always referred to the law formulated for Pisum[/i].
Dawkins fails to get that even the newcomer Zimmer AT THE WATER’s EDGE could attain what he only tainted.them mathematically impossible to evolve.
Analogy IS based on formal internet fact correspondence newly. There has never been a hardening within.
I think we have reached the much of the time of Sheppard (The final answer to the problem of how the recessiveness of deleterious mutants usually arises is only likely to be reached when we know more about how genes exert their effects. The data now available show that many genes are not active for much of the time but only when their products are required and are switched off when there is an excess of them) but only time will tell if Syamsu takes this to heart shape rather than the singularity and begins to investigate what the mathematical as opposed to the probabilistic laws (arthimetically at least) yield the shape of the close linkage between separate loci or else he would not have asked me
(EVC GEORGIS PATER or mine) (ref Ford Evoltuion of dominance It is important to remember that each single gene has numerous effects. These all reappear togther whenever it arises by recurrent mutation, which they cannot do when the apparently multiple action is in reality due to close linkage between sepearte loci.). I differ from Gould on cross level infinity but I agree that this time is nothing so far than then an accounting problem. If someone thinks that cybernetics implies otherwise I would be as glad to notice this as Einstein was of Elassaser’s Earth. No syamsu sue me if you really think I am wrong. It is not a legislative problem as you should? Know.
I hope you all keep good books for multiple biological activity can be better datawarehoused oop wise than procedurally. There is nothing psychological nor largely social in all this. Nor is it especially new.
So, should all the allotertraplodis establish itselffrom the area.
From the area of this LARGE WEB DISCUSSION OF EVOLUTION devolve DeBerr’s
Darwin who showed that design has no part to play in adaptation or evolution, never formulated his views in a general principle; this was done by a great but forgotten Englishman: William Kingdom Clifford, in 1875.
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the word purpose has been used to which it is, perhaps, worth while to call attention. Adaptation of means to an end may be provided in two ways that we ar present know of: by processes of natural selection, and by the agency of an intelligence in which an image or idea of the end preceeded the use of the means. In both cases the existence of the adaptation is accounted for by the necessity or utility of the end. It seems to me convenient to use the word purpose as meaning generally the end to which certain means are adapted, both in these cases and in any other that may hereafter become known, provided only that the adaptation is accounted for by the necessity or utility of the end. And there seems no objection to the use of the phrase ‘final cause’ in this wider senseimage or idea..Here it must suffice to porint out that it was only after the evolution of man, with his memory, experience m and language
Gould knewwithout this language there would be questions but in the joke about age and error croiat also knowe that no desing of a methdolgoy did not cease on purpose if onlyt atht the provision supramoleuclar chemistry and the image of postFaraday VOlatnism beyonds Ptolemaic biogeographcy. Do I still have to show that Ruse’s use fo the ID Boolean leas to futerher quotes rather than actual functions?
Obviously I am not logner first answering with a yes or a no. I alredy did and I had to serve that time involutanrily and with four false battery State charges. No my grey matter is not silicon but neither do I know how noncarbon life IS NOT petrulium. Energy yes but entropy wellwe are working.. we need to get paid!
This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 02-07-2005 18:12 AM

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berberry
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Message 224 of 300 (183872)
02-08-2005 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by Brad McFall
02-07-2005 3:18 PM


Re: post in process please sleep on it.
Brad writes:
quote:
As for Shraf, well, I liked her picture but I have never had any really extended conversation with her. Maybe someday. I have glanced over at her posts, now and then, to see if I might join her jumping competition but still I have not found the best looked hook.
Is that a figure of speech or do you ride horses, Brad?
quote:
...but only time will tell if Syamsu takes this to heart shape rather than the singularity and begins to investigate...
You don't have to wait on time to know whether or not Syamsu will investigate anything. I can tell you in one word. No.
quote:
Energy yes but entropy wellwe are working.. we need to get paid!
I know the feeling! Seems like I spend all my time trying to lower the entropy of the universe, and to what end?

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Snikwad
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Message 225 of 300 (183878)
02-08-2005 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Brad McFall
02-04-2005 11:51 AM


Re: hey
Brad, is the first picture what you were talking about when you said, in another thread, "Lam when I was a teenager I got letters from South America and Australia addressing me as DR MCFALL?"
You made that statement here.

"Chance is a minor ingredient in the Darwinian recipe, but the most important ingredient is cumulative selection which is quintessentially nonrandom."
--Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker

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