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Author Topic:   Moral Judgments
Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 256 of 259 (179617)
01-22-2005 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Silent H
01-22-2005 10:00 AM


Re: Evidence of Harm
Why would you need to wait in order to list sources?
They are from books. Also my mom is a travel nurse that works in Miami, so I can get more info from her to make my case. Very high HIV rates down there.
I am also in a quandary why you'd need any more than what was provided to make your point on correlation between STD and sexual practice. It appears quite clear to me that the numbers quoted (even those against you) indicate a greater correlation with homosexuality.
Well I'm still arguing with Rhain over it.
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Silent H
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Message 257 of 259 (179621)
01-22-2005 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Tal
01-22-2005 10:27 AM


Re: Evidence of Harm
Well I'm still arguing with Rhain over it.
In addition to proving consistent statistical correlation, you should also explain the argument for why correlation to such a thing can be used as a moral label.
I am particularly interested how other variable categories which are statistically related, get off the moral hook, or if you really blame anything with a statistical correlation?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
"Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5698 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 258 of 259 (179626)
01-22-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by Silent H
01-22-2005 10:36 AM


Re: Evidence of Harm
I am particularly interested how other variable categories which are statistically related, get off the moral hook, or if you really blame anything with a statistical correlation?
Do you mean why other STDs are transfered more by heterosexuals than homosexuals?

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Silent H
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Posts: 7405
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Message 259 of 259 (179632)
01-22-2005 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Tal
01-22-2005 10:45 AM


Re: Evidence of Harm
Do you mean why other STDs are transfered more by heterosexuals than homosexuals?
No, not at all. You appear to have set up a moral rule equating statistical correlation regarding the transmission of a virus (or any STD) to a measure of "harm" and so "wrongness" of an activity.
But type of sexual act is only one variable in which one can find correlation. Thus we could find that "urban sex" is more correlated to STD transmission than "rural sex", or "black sex" than "white sex". Indeed those might have significantly greater correlations than "homosexual sex" as compared to "heterosexual sex".
Do you remain consistent and label all correlatives, or just one chosen group that you want to single out in an apriori manner?
One could even look at the specifics of sex act. It may be found that homosexual oral sex, or homosexual masturbatory sex is less correlated to STD transmission than hetero-vaginal or anal sex. Does that make the former wholly homosexual acts less harmful and so more right then the hetero sexual acts?
You see I am gauging consistency of this moral formula. It seems to me if we are simply judging homo vs hetero acts in general, then it is an ad hoc formula designed to try and slam one group using temporary and selective criteria.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
"Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

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