Inerrancy of the Bible 2

This is continuation of the thread by 36 Christians. I had been debating Tom when his final post made this statement This is refering to this passage Now it appears Tom is under some illusion of what is entailed in the physics behind a god stopping the earth and reversing the rotation.
Besides the fact that no other nation recorded this event,nor,I might add did they notice that the sun now came up on the horizon it used to set on.{Remember,the earth is never stated as being returned to its original spin.}The earth rotates at 1000 mph at the equator. It rotates at about,say, 450 mph at the level of the Middle East.Now if you stop the earth all the people and animals and anything to varying degrees according to their composition and mass will still be rotating at 450 mph eastward.Mountains would move less as the shearing forces began to acquire sufficient energy to break and melt rock.So basicly you would be sitting in your fields tending your sheep when you are suddenly find the ground beneath you grinding the flesh off your bones from the friction as you are now moving across it at 450 mph.The pain would be short lived as you quickly slam into a nearby hillside as it is turning into slag from the heat produced by inertial forces.Let us nor forget the wind at earths surface would now be experiencing similar disaster as it now moves at similar velocity along with you.The waters of the ocean are fluid so they would now be under some weird shifts since the gravitational forces are unbalaned towards the moon along with the surge as the oceans continued to move at the same speed.It would be general chaos on a planetary scale.{Added link in first sentence - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 01-21-2005 09:32 AM

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Of all the years I have heard that verse I have never actually thought about what it would be like if it really happened. Definite mess!I guess on some level I filed it with mythology in my brain, although I can understand why people of the time would not question such a statement.Since the average person doesn't get too deep into physics, I guess we make the assumption that we slow down with the earth.Fascinating!!

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

I can't resist pointing out that Tom has committed yet another blunder: Of course, the moon does rotate, with a period of about 28 days, exactly equal to the time it takes to orbit the Earth once. That's why we only see one side of the Moon¹ from Earth, and the "tidal locking" effect that caused this to happen is well understood.-------------¹Due to libration, we actually see about 59% of the Moon's surface at one time or another. See Inconstant Moon, heading "A Different Point of View" about 2/3 of the way down the page.

If the deceleration was slow enough we probably wouldn't notice but when it's done quickly? Those of us old enough to remember when cars didn't come equipped with seat belts probably have at least one experience when someone jammed on the brakes at high speed. Unless you were prepared by bracing yourself you went flying and in the event of impact accidents people could be thrown through windshields hence seatbelts and airbags.But I know this will be no problem for Tom he will simple extend the miracle to not only slowing the earth but to slowing everything down and why not? It's easy to tell stories. We could even have a thread for those of us who believe all the stories about dragons and figure out scientifically how their digestion enabled them to exhales flames! We wouldn't even need to bother to study boring chemistry as we are telling stories we could conjecture they somehow purify sodium from salt and then regurgitate it and when it hits the oxygen it ignites and their large lungs then blow the burning gases away from them. Isn't science just like another religion? Just stories we want to believe on authority?
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Those of us old enough to remember when cars didn't come equipped with seat belts probably have at least one experience when someone jammed on the brakes at high speed.

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Corvair - My little brother always slept in the back window and slid forward whenever Dad hit the brakes too quick. Those were the days! Physics is not my strong point, but can you speculate how long it would take for a gradual stop of the planet and then gradual restarting the opposite direction and reaching the speed necessary for the sun to "move backwards"?Once it "moved backwards" God would then need to stop the earth again and change the rotation back to normal.Seems like an awful lot of work for a sign to tell someone he'll live 15 more years.

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It's easy to tell stories. We could even have a thread for those of us who believe all the stories about dragons

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Ancient stories are fascinating, it is a shame that many can't or won't accept that ancient people did add entertainment value to their oral stories and writings. Storytelling is an art to captivate the listener.I love SciFi. Dragons of Pern is my favorite series. My brother-in-law is an engineer who does technical writing and now he is trying his hand at writing SciFi. He has some great ideas. I've been proofing a few of his manuscripts. He's never written creatively, so he has some work to do. I think he has a shot once he learns how to captivate his readers.

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Damn! A whole planet full of Crash Test Dummies.

This is a pretty poor example Incognito. We can verify that you are alive, so thus you must have had ancestors living 200 years ago. However, it is the claims that you make for these ancestors that would need verification. That you had ancestors living 200 years ago does not mean that any claim automatically becomes true. If you said one of your ancestors lived helped to write the Gettysburg address do we accept that this is true simply because you must have had an ancestor alive at that time?You see the Bible does produce names and claims of epic events, these are what need to be supported, and not that someone was alive.Anyone who claims that any book is 100% accurate surely has the evidence to support everything in that book. Otherwise, the claim is pointless. Well. Let us give you a huge window to work in.Can you provide direct evidence for one person or one event from any of the books from Genesis to Judges? This is giving you an enormous selection, it should be fairly easy. What do you imagine the percentage of ‘verifiable facts’ would be in the Pentateuch? I would hazard a guess at zero. My time is well spent thanks, and not with silly verse X says this but verse Y says that, these are boring pursuits.Oh, and you are correct, the kids are batting 100%, they have failed to support a single thing. I found the stalls being divided into 10 smaller units particularly amusing. But, seriously, I am actually concerned that their class teacher allowed them to post this particular 'apologetic' without supporting evidence. This is not a good way to educate children, they must be taught to support everything they write. I would say that we cannot verify a single thing before King Omri in the Moabite stone dated to around the middle of the 9th century BCE. That is a hell of a lot of people and epic events that we do not have a single shred of direct evidence for.Can I also mention this?Message 299: 36 Christians," they found an issue I can't refute, good luck!Do you have an explanation for why the KJV claims that Jabin was the king of Canaan, and do you have evidence that Canaan was ever a single united polity?Brian.

Hi, Wasn't this another Hovind argument?Has it been confirmed that Hovind actually was a science teacher?Brian.

Not what you asked but I think this will have you holding your ribs -Account Suspended(BTW - someone who actually saw the original confirmed that the diagram was TAPED in from a science book).

GzusIt is frightening what people can get away with in America!!BTW, I was talking to a postgrad from Leeds uni in Glasgow today. He was there for a conference, but I never heard his presentation. I presented a paper entitled 'The Exodus: A Timeless Symbol of Freedom for all Nations'. My first ever conference paper and my sphincter was twitching like a rats nose. Brian.

Hi, Brian, I hope you threw in the 'chariot wheels' clincher.

I sure hope not! But I did have a few dillies in my early years.

purpledawnI only described how it would be to stop the earth. Now picture sending the earth in reverse straight away through ten degrees.
Since the outer core of the earth is molten and the inner core is solid imagine the stress between the inner and outer core as the solid is slammed to a stop and reversal in a short time while the liquid is heated further still by the friction at the junction of the core surfaces above and below.

Well if it was a jet doing 1,000 mph (about twice normal airliners) you can guess about how long would be "gentle" enough. 10 mins or so?Since we want to stop the earth and there are some big things to slow down and not shake loose then we need to be more gentle. an hour?It depends on what maximum acceleration you are willing to except (deceleration of course).Middle east latitue has us at something like say 700 kmh. We want say, 1/10th g
so we want to lose about 1 m/sec/sec.700 kmh is about 200 m / sec. That means 3 or 4 minutes should do it.That would generate some damm fine earthquakes here and there I'm sure but it isn't going to kill everyone outright. I think that a lot of ppl would fall over is all.A couple of hours gives us a 1/100 of a g. I don't know what that feels like but it should leave most temples standing is my guess.Now we still have to grab hold of it somehow. The mountains are not going to work as handles. Then we need to get rid of the rotational energy. Spreading that over an hour doesn't really help much.Ya see, it seems it always ends up with a miracle somewhere.