Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent

Thanks Charles. Indeedy I did. Hopefully you and yours did too. This :-).... what's it, a concocted up frown or a mistake?

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Of course not because natural disasters are not acts of GOD. It is as silly to say that the tsunami in the South Pacific was an act of GOD as to say thet the tsunami that will happen when La Palma collapses is an act of GOD. Oh, they are Balsphemers alright, Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit. They are classic examples of the GOATs. Unfortuantely, they lead many astray. They are the living embodiment of Satan.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

1. Ok, then, how about a GD as to whether any of these publically blasphemed the HS, as per the definition of the word blasphemy?2. Falwell and Robertson, imo, should not be classed with Bakker and Swaggart, given the scandals of Swaggart and the crimes of Bakker.I know you're leading this thread off topic, by your false accusations of these people, but I will not let your meanspirited falisies go unchallenged, nevertheless.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-10-2005 20:57 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

No Buz, it's pointless debating with you.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So your saying then that, God passed judgement on the Sumatra region, and routed out the evil by way of the tsunami?If such is the case then I am a little confused, because I was under the belief that Jesus came, so that God would not vent his wrath on the world. Now maybe my interpretation is wrong, but I have always considered these verses in John, to mean that there will be no judgement until the end. So could you please explain where I have gone wrong Buzsaw?
(no need for the 'mean Evo's' {kidding} to say, 'believing in God, in the first place' )Shaz

Mainstream media, on occasion has referred to disasters as "acts of God." Well then, can you document that any disasters have wiped out "millions" of bonafide Biblical Christians, as you have implied?

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

And so do insurance policies. It's a way of getting out of paying what is due. Here is a link to go back to what I was talking about. Message 23I am speaking about the collapse of La Palma. That is not only a very specific event, it's a far more reliable prophecy than any in the Bible.And just what is a "bonafide Biblical Christian" anyway? You seem to think that Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston are Christians. Given them as an example, I hope you don't include me in such a definition.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Don't add words to my post. I used terms like, wake up call and tap on the shoulder, similar to what I view 9/ll and some other things as in America. No, if you read everything in context, Jesus spoke of the wrath of God which would come on earth. He came in order that those who receive him may escape the wrath to come and those who are caught up in national disasters prior to the final wrath judgements may be resurrected to Heaven. Imo, the 7 vials of God's wrath of Revelation 16 occur after the true Christians are caught up (raptured) into Heaven. Jesus here, clearly refers to his first advent, i.e., the age of grace and salvation. His 2nd advent and the wrath bowls of God, clearly are not implicated here in this text.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

1. .......and it hasn't happened, has it? When, and it it ever hits, likely "millions" of bonafide Christians will not be killed.2. Isaiah 24, the specific earthquake prophecy I alluded to specifically calles upon the Eastern sea coastal dwellers to give God the glory. Nothing specific is noted in earthquake prophecy concerning the West. That is not to say it won't happen. You people keep calling for specifics, so by the same token, you too, need to be specific as to prophecy. To fully answer that would be off topic. Check out the short little book of I John, chapter 5, verses 11-13, near the book of Revelation and the Gospel of John, chapter 3 verse 3 in the Bible, for your answer.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

You didn't read the article did you? ... or look at the amazing picture of the Arabic word "Allah" appearing in the shape of the Tsunami.""The Koran says people can be punished through water or through fire," he added, referring to Islam's sacred scripture.The Muslim leaders have a 2,000-year-old precedent when it comes to ascribing a tsunami to the punishment of angry deities."""Allah first sends small punishments - like loss of business. If we ignore the warning, He sends bigger ones - loss of life. If we still ignore the warnings, the big punishments, like earthquakes and tsunamis will come."Faizeen said areas of Sri Lanka mainly populated by Muslims were the hardest hit and that the waves were aimed at Muslims in Indonesia and Sri Lanka who he said had strayed from God's ways.
" Link to articleThe Muslim clerics are claiming this as Allah's judgement for those Muslims who have strayed from God's ways. You'll probably claim the same nonsense in relation Christians who might get cleaned up in any future US disaster. Hang on, you already have.Buz writes: The Tsunami was from Allah:Asian Tsunami Imagery - Kalutara, Sri LankaDo you see the word Jehovah written in Hebrew in the wave. No? I don't either.Muslim claims are just as silly as Christian claims. edited by AdminJar to fix long linkThis message has been edited by AdminJar, 01-10-2005 21:05 AM

Does it seem ludicrous to anyone else, that we (and I include myself in this) are argueing over the cause and who is responsible? Seriously we can nit pick this till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, regardless of why, how or who, I think I owe it to fellow man to be above such pedantics. My apologies if I have offended anyone with my posts.Buzsaw, I am going to concede my point, purely because I don't have the stomach for this debate. Sorry.Shaz

I presume that the signiture is supposed to be in Arabic.Can we see the Arabic for Allah?This message has been edited by NosyNed, 01-10-2005 23:12 AM

Hey buz, I have only gotten so far in the thread so I don't know if anyone else has answerd this but I'll bite:Back in 2001 there was a horrendous earthquake in el salvador, a nation which acording to the CIA world fact book is 86% Catholic with a sizable evangelical protistant minority. (more than 1 million)When the earthquakes hit nearly 45,000 buildings were destroyed upward of 8000 people were injured and more than 1000 were killedhttp://www.redcross.org/news/in/0101elsalv/elsalvador.htmlWorse still was the Galveston Hurricane of 1900. It killed between 6,000 - 12,000 people right there in the heart of the bible belt.1900 Galveston hurricane - WikipediaIn the 1980's the volcano Nevado del Ruiz errupted killing upward of 25,000 people in the predominantly christian nation of Columbia.Nevado del Ruiz - WikipediaThe Spanish Flu epidemic of the 1900's killed more than 500,000 people in the US and Europe. All the countries affected were predominantly christian nations.Spanish flu - WikipediaAnd the worst Natural Disaster ever recorded in human history....* drum roll *The Black Plague!Spanish flu - WikipediaMore than 20 million people in a christian Europe perished.That's alot of dead people buz, certainly some of them were christians.This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-10-2005 23:26 AM

NosyNed wrote: Holy crap, you expect me to defend this claim!Sorry I don't know how to cut and paste images otherwise I'd put the two side by side for irrefutable proof:See this for Allah in Arabic.
http://www.islamkorea.com/english/allahinbible.html
(ABE by adminNosy) Compare to:
Asian Tsunami Imagery - Kalutara, Sri Lanka
(ABE by AdminNosy) The similarity is, er, striking. Explain that away you infidel.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 01-11-2005 00:31 AMPictures edited in by a very helpful AdminNosy. Thank you!This message has been edited by Gilgamesh, 01-11-2005 00:36 AM

Gilgamesh Holy crap! I'm convinced.Which way is Mecca?I feel a need to kneel and pray. LOL!This message has been edited by sidelined, 01-11-2005 00:04 AM