Greetings from the Sandbox.

Hello Tal:Thanks for sharing the pic with us. I am also a newbie here, so I can certainly appreciate your sentiment here: I am still trying to figure out, how to sound halfway sane. lol There is so so much to learn.
Enjoy your time here, and good luck in Baghdad. See you around on the boards. Take Care.Shaz

Excuse my interjection please, but I would like to offer another perspective to this thread.Tal’s thread title: I saw nothing within Tal's initial post, to be confrontational, or hostile. Rather I saw greetings extended, and an explanation of his situation, given in terms of reference applicable to him i.e. ‘sandbox’. Assume = to make an ‘Ass’ out of, U and Me.
Further I did not believe the evolution vs. creation forum, to be a platform for debate in regards to a person’s individual ‘moral’ activity, regardless of their belief. Please someone correct me here if I am wrong. Tal’s comment: I see as statement of position, for the benefit of those who don’t know him. Anyone following threads here will see where newbie’s, have met with assumptions, in regards to their position, or gender, such as I found in my own experience.
Therefore I propose this gentlemen: If you have an open house, and one comes in offering greetings, that it is rude for ones initial response to that guest, to be: ‘sorry I don’t like your shirt’ ?
Example:

Message 7

Message 12

Message 14

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Expressing simple curtesy first, may result in an environment, more conducive to discussion.

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The moral base, of war in Iraq:
I do not see how one person can have the monopoly, on being held to account for that issue. For any of us to have a judgement bias, toward a position that others hold, is the very thing that’s sets apart the ‘peacekeepers’ from the ignorant. This is a general statement of my perspective, and holds no direct implication toward anyone.

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Using ‘peacekeeper’, here as being biblical, rather than military. Though I do not propose the word to be more or less applied to ‘creationist's’, ‘evolutionist's’, or any belief system.

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No ‘newbie’, will ever be identical to what has gone before, regardless of their belief. Subsequently may I suggest, if one wishes to challenge in regards to a persons individual actions, or morality, that it be proposed, as a topic suggestion to the intended first. Of course with consideration given to, the affect a debate may have, on a persons current situation. Message 16

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Shaz

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This message has been edited by Shaz, 02 January 2005 01:13 AM

Holmes:I would like to clarify that my post was not specifically directed at any one person, nor was it intended to reflect poorly on a particular person. What I intended, was merely to illustrate how easily one can be thrown offside, by a lack of simple curtesy. Indeed I did use yours and Kisimons posts to illustrate that point, I did that only because they were the most stand alone examples, and I apologise if that offended either of you. Firstly I must apologise again, if the structure of my post gave an impression, that I was referring these things specifically to you. I will reword the post, to reflect my sentiment more accurately. I deliberately chose not to refer to anyone specifically, when proposing, ‘that implication was made that Tal was contradictory’. I did this out of curtesy to those who had done so. However if you insist on my providing proof, I could send you a private mail regarding post 7, to validate what I stated. Your comment here saddens me; however I have no desire to share my opinion on this issue. Perhaps another time, another place, I may have done so, not now. If by that, you mean why I interjected here? My answer to that is contained in post 23 and again in this one, as to my belief system you will find that, on the other thread you started.For the record though, I do not regard Tal as a ‘delicate flower’, from what I have seen he has certainly held his own. Tal could have been anyone; my interjection would have been no different.On a general note: I have been at this site for only a few days and I have been shocked on numerous occasions to see, supposedly adult men/women, resorting to the petty antics of youth, in an attempt to prove a point. Perhaps that makes me nave, sensitive, or foolish, but it certainly does not make my comment any less true.Shaz

Holmes:Thank you for your endorsement of my character. My offer of private email,was merely to extend curtesy to you, rather than prove a point in a public arena. This curtesy was only extended due to the issue being personal opinion; general debate and statement's of fact, are entirely different. I have no problem talking about Iraq, or a great many things. The main part of my comment was, "... I may have done so, not now." and was in reference to "...pretend there is not a great tragedy occuring in Iraq?"In truth, I am over the whole thing, and therefore I thank you for your apology, and your kind words. No doubt, I will see you on other threads. Take Care.Shaz