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sidelined
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Message 106 of 155 (172350)
12-30-2004 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Phat
12-30-2004 10:12 AM


Re: Tongues
Phatboy
One reason that I have heard is because demons who are everywhere cannot understand the tongues and so God alone gets the message without Beezlebub running interference.
Why do you not question things? Obviously the person you heard this from cannot have knowledge of it being more than incomprehensible babble since we have already estasblished this,so the person who stated such has some other reason to do so. This is the same situation with the writer of corinthians.His statement cannot be something he could have verified as he is supposerdly incapable as are the rest of us.

A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

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sidelined
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Message 107 of 155 (172351)
12-30-2004 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by umliak
12-30-2004 11:25 AM


Re: Tongues
umliak
If men knew how to interpret tongues, which is a real language, then we would understand
My point exactly! The writer of corinthians could have no knowledge of the very claim he is trying to establish in exactly the way he says none of us can.And what is the basis for your claim that it is a real language?
However it is better to be told things by God which you cannot understand than to hear nothing from God at all
How is any of that make the least bit of sense? God speaks in a laguage you cannot understand? If I were to tell you something vitally important in Swahili how is that of any value? How would you judge its worth?It is no different from hearing nothing at all.
For God plants seeds, and they grow. In time and experience the inspiration from God nourishes you.
So you say.There is no way you can attribute that to speaking in tongues since as you say you cannot understand what is being said.
I would say, you learn from it in time, but then someone like you would look at that and disbelieve--rationalizing it. So I explain it in a manner you will believe, because this manner is true.
And by what means do I determine it is true or just you fooling yourself?
If you look at a new type of animal one day and don't know or understand it, but then with time it becomes more familiar to you, then it is no longer "gibberish" to you, is it
Of course not since I can test the validity of the understanding because I have the animal here to examine. I have no such thing with your glossolia.

A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

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mike the wiz
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Message 108 of 155 (172360)
12-30-2004 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by sidelined
12-29-2004 11:19 PM


Re: Tongues
This is about as classic a dodge as I could ever imsgine.You speak in tongues no one can understand about secret hidden things no one knows about.SHEESH.
But all I said is that I speak in tongues. It's a statement of fact.

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Message 109 of 155 (172366)
12-30-2004 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by umliak
12-30-2004 12:05 PM


Re: Tongues
And what shows that those lyrics aren't gibberish? The Boy Scouts had an "International Scout Song" composed for world jamborees so everyone could sing it. It went:
gin gang gooly gooly gooly watshat
gin gang gool gin gang gool
gin gang gooly gooly gooly watshat
gin gang gool gin gang gool
hay la hay la sha la
hay la shay la hay la oo
shallawatty shallawatty shallawatty
ompa (and repeat)
No one is claiming that is an actual language. Why would you say that song is unless it really does have syntax, structure and meaning that I cannot find, not being a linguist.
Quoting a song proves nothing.

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mikehager
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Message 110 of 155 (172368)
12-30-2004 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by mike the wiz
12-30-2004 6:22 PM


Re: Tongues
If you mean that you spout gibberish when you are moved to, that I accept. If your claiming that you are speaking a language unknown to you, I would say that you are gravely mistaken and would have to see some proof before I would believe it.

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mike the wiz
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Message 111 of 155 (172370)
12-30-2004 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by mikehager
12-30-2004 7:25 PM


Re: Tongues
No - I don't mean any of that. I'll repeat what I first said;
I speak in tongues.
I don't have to prove this, because, well - I do this, and know I do.
Thanks.

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Message 112 of 155 (172371)
12-30-2004 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Shaz
12-30-2004 2:27 PM


Re: Some clarifiction on tongues
Examining that link, I found only a brief description of research done, but what was there never stated or even implied that glossolalia is a real language. In fact it defeined the phenomena as "Glossolalia (i.e., speaking in tongues) is vocalization that sounds language like but is devoid of semantic meaning or syntax." In other words, gibberish.
It went on to say that glossolalia was a learned behavior, not a special altered state of mind. The researchers never said that an actual language had been learned, just a behavior. One passage, using the word "fluent(?)" in reference to it, may have been deceptive but a reading of the entire text shows the writers actual intent. By the way, the question mark is from the original text.
What they meant was that people subjected to recordings of glossolalia, 20% could reproduce it immediatley and 70% with little effort. This study does nothing to support the idea that this is a divinely inspired event, rather the opposite. Also, shaz misread the text. The 70% was of the total 60 subjects, not the 20% that could replicate the sounds immediatley.

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mikehager
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Message 113 of 155 (172372)
12-30-2004 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by mike the wiz
12-30-2004 7:32 PM


Re: Tongues
That's fine for you, but if you want anyone else to believe it, you're going to have to give us more then your word.

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mike the wiz
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Message 114 of 155 (172378)
12-30-2004 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by mikehager
12-30-2004 7:37 PM


Re: Tongues
Well, I've never got anyone to believe anything I say in the past two years of forum activity anyway. I don't expect you to believe me. To you - it should be nonsense or irrelevant. Personal experience cannot in anyway prove anything to anyone else.
It's like with my prayers - I consider them answered, but that will only ever be personal evidence to the individual.

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sidelined
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Message 115 of 155 (172381)
12-30-2004 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by mike the wiz
12-30-2004 6:22 PM


Re: Tongues
Baba {the glossaliac formerly known as mike the wiz}
But all I said is that I speak in tongues. It's a statement of fact.
Why would you bring forth a statement concerning the speaking in tongues when it is a meaningless statement devoid of both concept and evidence? That a person can speak gibberish and it is considered a conduit to god and not an abberation of the person's personality convinces only those who do not raise their bullshit radar.
Oh and BTW it is not fact it is opinion until you offer verification Baba.

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Message 116 of 155 (172383)
12-30-2004 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by sidelined
12-30-2004 8:08 PM


Re: Tongues
I'm afraid it is a fact that I speak in tongues.

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mike the wiz
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Message 117 of 155 (172389)
12-30-2004 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by sidelined
12-30-2004 8:08 PM


Re: Tongues
U seem to be angry at me. R u considering that I was just mentioning tongues as a personal reality?
Y must I be bull****ing? Y r u so cynical against mikey?

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mikehager
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Message 118 of 155 (172392)
12-30-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by mike the wiz
12-30-2004 7:53 PM


Re: Tongues
That's exactly right. Your personal unverified expierence will never be evidence.
By the way, speaking of evidence, I would like to renew my call for Umliak to provide good evidence for his claims about speaking in tongues or withdraw the claim.

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sidelined
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Message 119 of 155 (172517)
12-31-2004 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by mike the wiz
12-30-2004 8:25 PM


Re: Tongues
MTW
I am not angry mike I am concerned.
R u considering that I was just mentioning tongues as a personal reality?Y must I be bull****ing? Y r u so cynical against mikey?
You need not be bullshitting however you may well be deluding yourself. I am not cynical I am critical of your lack of willingness to properly question your "gift".
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umliak
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Message 120 of 155 (172579)
12-31-2004 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by mikehager
12-30-2004 7:23 PM


Re: Tongues
look i'm sorry. you don't have to believe me.

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