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sidelined Member (Idle past 5936 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
buzsaw
I appreciate your list of earthquakes, but it covers, for the most part, the last century So what? The point is earthquakes happen a lot. The deadliest earthquake was in 1556.850,00 people died, so what in your estimation would constitute something significant? There is no great increase and earthquakes have plagued men throughout history.
Judging from the frequency of significant quakes in the last century, it seems to me that if that average frequency had been occuring for the last two or three thousand years, by now the earth's crust would by now be fairly pulverized. Do you have any idea how insignificant an energy release from even a 9.0 richter scale quake is compared to the earth itself? From this website http://aamc.geo.lsa.umich.edu/geo284/WebBook/EQenergy.html
Soon after devising the magnitude scale, Gutenberg & Richter provided an empirical connection between magnitude and earthquake energy. A somewhat simplified form of their equation can be written as: log (E) = 4.7 + (1.5)M where "log" is the base10 logarithm, M is the earthquake magnitude, and E will be energy in Joules. If we take the above equation to be the exponent of 10, then it can be rewritten as: E = 10^[ 4.7 + (1.5)M ] Therefore for a 9.0 earthquake the energy relaese is 10 ^ [4.7 + {1.5} 9] = approx. 10^18 Joules The earth recieves about 10^22 joules of energy every day from the sun.This is equivalent to 10,000 9.0 earthquakes per day.
In a graph, yes, you will find surges and slowdowns but the aggregate of various events will begin to be observable as predicted in the Bible So produce a graph then please.
I believe the industrial revolution in the mid 19th century has been significant. Since that period, a number of Biblical prophecies have been emerging. Late 4th Century St. Martin of Tours (ca. 316-397) wrote, "There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power." (Abanes p.119) The website that I pulled this from lists many more. http://www.abhota.info/ A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?' This raised his doubts to such a pitch He fell distracted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.
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berberry Inactive Member |
Consider the typical London man of Christmas 1666. In just the past two decades, he would have witnessed among the worst of civil wars in all history, overthrow of the monarchy, the assasination of his king and about 10 years of what we would today call martial law, forced religious conversions back and forth between Anglicanism and Puritanism, waves of plague that will have killed many if not most of the people he knows and, just a few months ago, one of history's worst fires, consuming more than 4/5ths of his city. If all that wasn't bad enough, he was living in a year that ended with the number '666'! I wonder if such a man might be forgiven for feeling that the end of the world was at hand.
You were saying, buz? Keep America Safe AND Free! |
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
Hi buzsaw,
2 things particularly interested me about your OP.
buzsaw writes: Interestingly, the Bible has it scientifically right that powerful earthquakes can, indeed, shake the whole planet, even "disturbing" it's rotation. Is that right - can earthquakes affect the Earth's rotation? That would seem to violate Conservation of Angular Momentum to me (unless the earthquake somehow causes material to be ejected into space). Do you have any background on why you think earthquakes can affect the Earth's rotation and how this happens? The second thing which occurs to me, is why God would choose to signify the End Times with the death and untold suffering of tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people, without seeming to discriminate between adults and children. Why not write "The End Times are coming" in 500 foot letters of fire in the sky in all languages? Wouldn't that be more humane and less open to debate? PE This message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 12-29-2004 03:47 AM
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christian atheist Inactive Member |
quote: I got this from a news source, which doesn't say much. I bolded the important parts. Currently, I guess we don't know if it did or not.
quote: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/... {Shortened display form of URL, to restore page width to normal. - Adminnemooseus} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 12-29-2004 10:53 AM
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: My hometown is far from Aceh, so at least nobody I directly know is a victim. But thanks for your concern. And if you want to help, please help sincerely, without any mission behind.
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
Thanks christian atheist. I did some digging of my own and found this:
Because earthquakes involve movements of tectonic plates (and large quantities of water, in the case of submarine earthquakes), they necessarily involve relatively rapid movements of large amounts of mass. When this mass moves, the distribution of Earth’s mass changes and results in slight deviations in the rotational motion (e.g., angular velocity and axial tilt) of the planet. To illustrate: a figure skater pirouetting with his or her arms extended has a specific way in which their body mass is distributed with respect to their rotational axis (the rotational axis, incidentally, is an imaginary line that extends through the middle of the rotating object in a direction that is perpendicular to the direction of rotation think of a line connecting the North and South poles, for example). If the figure skater then pulls one of their arms slightly closer to their body, the way in which their body mass is distributed is altered, thus causing their rotation to change. The intensity of that change is proportional to the degree to which the distribution of their body mass is altered. A spinning skater who bends but a single finger toward their body may not feel a significant change in their rotation; a spinning skater who pulls an arm in completely flush with their body may produce so great a change in their rotation as to fall down. In the case of earthquakes, the amount of redistributed mass is comparably small to the mass of the entire planet. Likewise, the distance over which that mass is moved is comparably small to the size, or radius, of the planet. Thus, the mass redistribution is effectively small, in the grand scheme of things. But, earthquakes still do cause some minor change to Earth’s rotation; it is purely an inescapable consequence of physics. If a large (read: unfathomably big) enough earthquake (or any seismic event, for that matter) occurred, such that very extensive portions of Earth’s crust moved, causing the planet’s rotation to become significantly altered, the global climate could potentially be affected. In the case of this most recent seismic activity in Indonesia, however, Earth’s rotation will not likely be altered to such a degree that it will have significant, climatic consequences. I hope this explanation helps. Scott J. BadhamDepartment of Geology and Geophysics University of Wyoming Personally, I'm amazed that earthquakes can actually have a material impact on the moment of inertia of the entire planet, but there you go. Live and learn, I guess. PE
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
I am currently rather annoyed by some people, Muslims and Christians alike, who commented as if this is some kind of God's wrath. I mean, the victims are so diverse, from holidaymakers in Thailand, poor fisherfolk in Aceh, Maldives, and even the natives of Andaman. It seems unfair for them to be the victims of an angry God; the disaster hits Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists alike.
That's why I commented. I feel it is morally ucappetable for any person to say proudly 'See. we're right,' over the deaths of 60.000 people.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
It appearing that the severity of the quakes is increasing, not just the number of quakes. While I believe the Mystery babylon / Babylon New York better satisfies scripture in respect to the location of the Mystery Babylon, only because the Vatican is land locked. I however agree with Buz that it will not be an earthquake that will destroy the mystery babylon talked of in the bible.
Not Just Numbers, But Severity The skeptic might attempt to attribute the increase in the number of these disasters as better reporting, but we are definitely experiencing a severe increase in severity and intensity as well. There have been more than 1,429 earthquakes in last 183 days registering 4.0 and greater. 360 of these were since 3 November and 20 of those over 6.0. The table below records the fact we have had 5 quakes exceeding 7.0 in an 18-day period (11 November to 28 November). The table shows only the quakes 6.0 and higher for this period. DateMagnitude Location 28 Nov 20047.0 Hokkaido, Japan Region 28 Nov-20046.1 Irian Jaya Region, Indonesia 28 Nov-20046.6 Easter Island Region 26 Nov-20047.2 Irian Jaya Region, Indonesia 23 Nov 20046.0 South of Fiji Islands 22 Nov 20047.3 Off W. Coast of S. Island, N.Z. 21 Nov 20046.0 Leeward Islands 20 Nov 20046.1 Near Coast of Guatemala 20 Nov 20046.2 Costa Rica 17 Nov 20046.6 Fiji Islands Region 16 Nov 20046.1 New Britain Region, P.N.G. 15 Nov 20047.0 Near West Coast of Colombia 13 Nov 20046.0 Santa Cruz Islands Region 12 Nov 20046.1 Santiago Del Estero Prov, Arg 11 Nov 20046.4 Timor Region, Indonesia 11 Nov 20047.3 Timor Region, Indonesia Page not found | GTA This message has been edited by Tom, 12-29-2004 13:50 AM
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
How do you determine that there is an increase in either numbers or severity?
I agree that both have to be counted of course. I suppose it would be possible to have some sort of number that is a weighted measure. Maybe number time severity. To determine if it is increasing I'd want to see a graph of ALL quakes measured over the last 100 years. You comment on the reporting issue. I don't know all that much about seismology but I do know that seismometers have been increasing in sensitivity a great deal over the decades. Any measurements and analysis that didn't take that into account would be incorrect. If there is actually an increase in numbers and/or severity I would have thought that seismologists would have noticed. So there should be a number of papers published on the subject. Do you have any references to such things? Without a great deal more care "appears to be increasing" is a meaningless noise phrase. This message has been edited by NosyNed, 12-29-2004 14:14 AM
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umliak Inactive Member |
I am currently rather annoyed by some people, Muslims and Christians alike, who commented as if this is some kind of God's wrath. I mean, the victims are so diverse, from holidaymakers in Thailand, poor fisherfolk in Aceh, Maldives, and even the natives of Andaman. It seems unfair for them to be the victims of an angry God; the disaster hits Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists alike. The Creator of his creation has the right to judge it accordingly, and do with it as he will. Regardless of your mourning. The earth itself suffers the death of its inhabitants. If all men were to die, earth would die with it, making it a molten overheated waterless desert. Likewise, as I've said in other places, the sky would then be filled with water (clouds) as earth's new surface. So who are you that your mourning and sensitivity make you so great?
That's why I commented. I feel it is morally ucappetable for any person to say proudly 'See. we're right,' over the deaths of 60.000 people. It is not any man who is right, yet, rather, God himself who foretold and created this--and likewise foretold what he would do, or, create upon that which he created. It's 76-77,000 at this current time, I do believe, by the way. And the multitude of death is very devastating; and yet you neither created the life nor killed it. So who are you to judge the authority of the landLord?...or its value and worth?
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
USGS statistics 1900 to present mag 7 + earthquakes
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/7up.html USGS earthquake facts and statisticshttp://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
http://neic.usgs.gov/...general/increase_in_earthquakes.html
This page shows the major and great quakes from '69 on. Eyeballing it suggests that the numbers are not above the long term average. If any one doubts that I will graph it. There is, it seems, no increase.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As a Christian, I find your indictment of GOD disgusting.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ICR (Institute for Creation Research) says there has not been an increased incidence of earthquakes from 1900 to 2000, and I have to agree. I do believe devastating ones are happening in some more significant areas and that in near future we will see more frequency of these. There will be factors which will, imo, increase the incidence of earthquakes in the future. Something caused the earth's atmosphere's water to fall from the atmosphere at the time of the flood, to earth effecting global flooding. Don't ask me to explain what I'm going to say. I can't, but as I understand the prophecies, it will happen. Whatever caused the atmosphere to release the water, will reverse for the millenial reign of Christ and the super pre-flood like climate implicated for it. In short I believe the global warming and drout will evaporate much of the present oceans into the atmosphere, effecting the prophesied darkening of the sun and moon. This will release much of the down pressure on the ocean's floor which has a thinner crust than the continents, allowing it to uplift. The mountain ranges then will be lowered as continental tectonic plates sink. This will likely effect the huge dominoe effect earthquake prophesied by both OT prophets and the prophet John in Revelation 16. (near end of chapter)
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Ned, I did a mini check on the bible, and it appears your facts supports the bible Accuracy and Inerrancy. The bible interestingly didn't seem to say there would be an increase in earthquakes before the big one. Ascara's facts too support earthquakes are not increasing, but you both actually support that there are great earthquakes occurring in divers places. It appears the topic is the big earthquake in rev 16:18-20.
If Israel is the fig tree, and it became a nation around 1947, and this is the generation living that will not all pass away till all be fullfilled. It appears based off the generation living senereo, were not all that many years away from the big earthquake prophecy being fullfilled. (Rev 16:18) In this chapter it says when these signs, then to look up for your redemption draweth near luke 21:28, and pray that you will be accounted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass. luke 21:36. Appears that the Christians belief in Rapture is how those worthy believe they will escape the great tribulation including the Great Earthquake. Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
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