Proof and analysis of Biblical end time accuracey [Synnegi]

I actually did provide backup, sir. I have done so many times. Instead of lying and saying you are waiting as if I have neglected to do something, I would request playing fair--of the "rules", as to which you pretend to be so careful of.And for the record I have much to say, I do not have to backup any claims hereforth. The Admins have replied several times in this thread, neither of which repremanding me; only reminding you people to stay on topic.If you don't like what the topic is, do not talk to me. You are not constructive by any means.

Passages with clouds and one about trumpets (possibly meaning mushroom clouds) and fire:Isaiah 14:14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Daniel 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.Nahum 1:3 - The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.Zephaniah 1:15 - That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.Matthew 24:30 - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.Matthew 26:64 - Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.Mark 13:26 - And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.Mark 14:62 - And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Jude 1:12 - These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;Revelation 1:7 - Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Actually dear, there are only three posts by administrators in this thread.

1. the initial move to debate
2. a request that you take a discussion of evolution to a more appropriate thread.
3. the only general post concerning topic.

I have been attempting to follow this thread off an on over the holiday and will admit to being totally lost. I may be wrong, and I'm sure I will be corrected if that is so, but I don't think I'm that clueless. I think the thread itself is pretty incomprehensible.I think that anyone asking for clarification of a point, or evidence of an assertion should ask in no uncertain terms. The opposition should then immediately answer or link to the post where it was already answered.We do not ask that every point in every thread be referenced each time, but when asked we expect the request to be honored. I have the time now for the next week so I will be keeping a closer eye on this thread.

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In reference to this Umliak. I did state that, I may have overlooked such, and was certainly open to that possibility. Seeking clarification, is something I do to help me understand fact, as opposed to making assumptions. Particularly as a 'newbie', at this site. Rom.15:1-3
Subsequently, I apologise to you, that I have misread the previous 50+ posts. I am not sure what you are asking me to forgive you for:

• That I was challenging the bible.
• That I have/have not read the bible.
• That I was attempting to act educated.

I did indeed state that I was no scholar, and certainly not educated in relation to many things. However I feel that my comments may have been perceived with an intent, other than as they were intended. I am sorry if you have found cause to be offended by my words. Acts.24:16Umliak, there is nothing for me to forgive you for though. I have taken no offence at your comments, though I do find them to be sadly erring in regard to intent, and fact. Rom.14:13 Subsequently, I shall take no more time from your thread.Regards Shaz

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In my opinion you have been doing a rather poor job of handling your end of any discussions.You haven't yet demonstrated an ability to back up your assertions.You tread a bit too close to being disrespectful of those you discuss with.I will be watching a bit more closely for awhile. You may be a candidate for boot camp where you will be helped to learn how to conduct yourself. See if you can avoid that.

and I can't recall you providing any support, Umliak. It's also odd that only you think that you have provided any support for your assertion. Perhaps you are just ignorant.No... in fact you are worse. You have the nerve to call me a liar, you deliberately ignorant, small minded fool? Even if I were a liar, which I am not, I could start telling the truth. You are clearly incapable of being anything other than an idiot.The nerve. Umliak, you would be well served to show more respect to your betters. Moron.Try stopping with this foolishness and do what I challenged you to do.

So far I can only recall not backing up archaeological finds because I thought that was too general, but here you go: http://www.myfortress.org/archaeology.htmlAnd I already informed people they were disprespecting me, so I'm not sure what your basis of me being "sent of to boot camp" is. Likewise, people like Shaz are very respectful, and I believe reasonable. It's unfortunate when you applaud the intent of forum trolls so as to make it difficult for people like me who are looking to discuss matters to speak to people such as Shaz--a man who actually has applaudible intent and respect. So tell me what I lack in backing up, and be specific, because people seem to be only making accusations that I am not, and not actually having anything they really do want to be, well, backed up. I would like specific requests, please--before judging my character and annoyance. You desire respect and honor for the users here by the users here, and so I am giving it, and I am not being rude or hateful, though from my point of view I will tell you people are playing the persecuter.
So tell me what I to do to make things right again; you of higher authority on this forum, because I wonder.

I posted in msg 64 what needs to be done. I expect all parties to abide by what was written. No more name calling, or snipping at others. When asked for reference for a specific issue I expect it to be given. That goes for both sides. I'm not going to go into the "he said, she said" issues but will be watching from now on. Both parties will start over and make their requests of the other.

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And you, Admins, take the side of accusers like this? And tell me I'm disrespectful? Unless you've sent people like this forum PMs, I would question your motives.And for the record, Mike, I did provide support. It was a link to near-death.com for the matter of speaking in tongues. And out of respect for the administrator I even provided my own link to archaeological finds.What is it then that I lack? I would like specific instances, as so far I am only confirmed in my beliefs that you are an ordinary and common fighter whose motive is negativity, including insulting me for no reason and only making accusations--not any real requests.

Well thank you, but I don't see why I was given a warning. So far I've respected people and responded to almost every person in the thread. If people have specific requests for support on specific claims, like I said, I would like to hear them. General claims like, "What proof is there that God exists?", or "What proof is there that the Bible is 100% accurate?" are things I should never be obligated to respond to, especially when they are neither something I said, nor suggested I could provide proof for a disbeliever to accept.

Shaz, No, I would rather you post in this thread than most nearly everyone else who has already, as you tell me you are looking to be constructive (you tell me this by your actions). Perhaps now that someone like yourself has come here, we can sift into a real discussion. Feel free to post if you want to. You are reasonable by current estimates.

As was pointed out to you at the time, there was no support for your position on that webpage, which I read. This was pointed out to you by several people, yet you still maintain you posted support. You didn't.As to the insults I directed at you, you began it by calling me a liar. Not fun, is it?You failed the first time to support your assertion about speaking in tongues and have not withdrawn the claim or given further support. It leaves the reader no choice but to conclude that you either cannot or are unwilling to engage in real debate. Also, I am unfailingly polite until I am met with disrespect, at which time I consider the gloves to be off. That is why the admins seldom take me to task, I believe (although they have in the past warned me). The fact that you have been warned by them is due to your behavior, though you will doubtless attribute it to bias.But all this is superfluous. I am still waiting for a real defense of your position or a graceful withdrawal of it.

The three others have not warned me, and for the record, I told you to search for "tongues" on near-death.com. I'm pretty certain I did, and if I did not, then now you know. And furthermore, tongues in fact is mentioned on the site, so please do not say it isn't.And further more, you were lying, and by nature, we are all liars. So I'm not sure why you feel so threatened by it, as lying is real. On the other hand, you are calling me a moron, and an idiot, and other mean terms. I will not withdraw my claim that you are a liar, for this is not an insult, it is the truth. However, you on the other hand did insult me. Which I personally forgive you for, but it only goes to show the nature of your intent.

Since you guys can't play nice with each other and get on with the damn thread I'm closing it down for a short time. When I reopen it I expect posts to revolve around the topic. When requesting a reference act like its the first time. When answering a request be nice about it. There will be rebuttals and more questions. It is not a personal attack (or it better not be at any rate)Take any problems with my decision to the appropriate thread in my signature.

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