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Author Topic:   Why should evolution be accepted on authority?
nator
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Message 102 of 166 (170935)
12-22-2004 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by robinrohan
12-19-2004 9:19 PM


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Jar, my point was that sheer numbers of believers on one side or the other does not solve the problem . . .the Christians would win that battle.
True, but you are still not making a direct comparison.
Religious belief is not at all the same as critical/scientific analysis.
Remember, all scientists grant provisional acceptance to scientisfic theories because evidence and repeated observations have shown the theories to be reliable. That provisional acceptance can be and has been withdrawn in the light of new evidence.
Religious believers believe without critical analysis, require no evidence nor repeated observations by disinterested parties, and as such their belief is not subject to revision or rejection no matter what evidence is revealed.
They are not comparable.

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Message 103 of 166 (170938)
12-22-2004 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by robinrohan
12-20-2004 1:45 PM


Re: A coincidence
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This morning, after writing this up, I went to work (I teach English at a community college), and I was listening to a conversation between two other teachers. One, an economics teacher, was saying to someone that there really wasn't much proof for evolution; it was mostly speculation, he said. Presumably the economics teacher was reasonably well-educated. You have to have at least a Master's degree to teach there.
Just goes to show how widespread this idea is that there is no real proof for evolution.
I wonder if that economics teacher has ever heard of the hugely famous economic Game Theory, and how it directly relates to Evolution?
He may know some math but he clearly is ignorant of basic Biology.

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nator
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Message 104 of 166 (170943)
12-22-2004 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by robinrohan
12-20-2004 4:24 PM


Re: Question everything
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Is there some other scientific claim that we all accept without question though no one has ever witnessed it?
The existence of Electrons.
The Earth has a core of molten iron.
The mass of the sun warps the space around it.

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nator
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Message 141 of 166 (171371)
12-24-2004 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by PerfectDeath
12-23-2004 3:29 PM


Re: Confusion
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we don't see christians bitching about T0E
Actually, many biblical literalists do bitch about the ToE.
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because ToE Directly contradicts the bible
So do many other scientific theories.
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AND it does not serve then anny value.
The science of Biology doesn't serve Christians any value?
Christians don't use any modern medical knowledge? Or genetics?
Tell me, do Christians use DNA testing?
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also they say that evolutionists belive we came from apes...
...which we didn't.
Humans and apes share a common ancestor.
Modern apes and humans are both primates.
quote:
APES little smelly monkeys
Apes and monkeys are not the same thing.
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how can we degrade ourselves to say we came from them...
Why do you denigrate any of God's wonderous creations?
The Bonobo chimps that are are our closest relatives are much physically stronger than we are, and far, far less violent than we are.
We could do well to emulate some of their behaviors.
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the reassurance that we were made directly from God's image (this might be a big thing) and we were created supreme... rather than dirtly and weak.
...but humans are dirty and weak.
Certainly, we are not as physically strong as Bonobo Chimpanzees.
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 12-24-2004 08:13 PM

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."--Thomas Jefferson

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nator
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Message 149 of 166 (171544)
12-26-2004 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by NosyNed
12-25-2004 12:00 PM


Re: Politics and Culture
FYI, there is also some Creationist activity in Austrailia as well.

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