Atheist Changes Mind

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141061,00.htmlHere was a newsworthy event. Any comments? This ranks up there with "Man bites Dog." Lost another one to DITECH!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 12-10-2004 11:56 PM

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Huh. No surprise to see that he's over 80. Do you think maybe he's hedging his bets?

What he thinks is interesting but why he thinks that is more interesting.There isn't enough in the article to get a real understanding of it. He seems to be coming from a position of incredulity. That is understandable to some degree but hardly "scientific evidence". He is after all a philosopher and not deeply knowledgable in the various fields I would presume.Too little to go on really. There is some idea of what he thinks but not really anything on why.

Lemme ask you this, then: Do you personally doubt that a philosophical change from atheism to theism is EVER logical?This message has been edited by Phatboy, 12-11-2004 02:21 PM

hehthat was my reaction too.

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What he thinks is interesting but why he thinks that is more interesting.

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There isn't enough in the article to get a real understanding of it. He seems to be coming from a position of incredulity. That is understandable to some degree but hardly "scientific evidence". He is after all a philosopher and not deeply knowledgable in the various fields I would presume.

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Too little to go on really. There is some idea of what he thinks but not really anything on why.

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I agree that he does not give enough detail as to why, but it is very interesting that he's saying that it was scientific evidence that lead him that way. While yes he's a philosopher that does not at all negate his knowledge of the subject. After all you're in software development. But I still consider you relatively knowledgeable of biological science. So that argument is both unnecessary and useless.And this isn't some random atheist turned theist. This was one of the leading proponents of philosophical atheism. There had to have been some credible and highly convincable evidence. Yes he's up in age, but I don't believe he would randomly nor easily change his mind on the subject. I would love to know what exact evidence he points to, as would we all.There is another article, in fact an interview of Flew by Dr. Habermass of Liberty University. That is where I first found about this, and is extremely thorough. It's an excellent article and you get a really good taste for what he actually believes, although the exact why is still looming in many instances. Atheist turned theist

But hardly enough detail yet.

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However, I think the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it.

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(from the interview -- thanks for that by the way)There are two possibilities here: one is that he knows of something that hasn't been brought up here or other places I have read, the second is that he doesn't.If the latter then his opinion is based on what, in my opinion, is junk. If the former I would wonder why we haven't seen that additional evidence and reasoning.It might be a good idea to point out to most of the believers here that the "god" he is professing a belief in isn't the God that many here believe in.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 12-11-2004 01:51 PM

NosynedI agree. It would seem that he runs along the god concept of Spinoza and Einstein. It certainly is a far cry from the God of comfort of the Christian faith.
I do think that evidence will not be forthcoming because I feel that were there any such propositions would have made the headlines and not the man stating them.

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A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

My guess is junk.Did you see what he said about Islam? and Both are incredibly ignorant and bigoted comments. If he accepted the above from sources as "evidence" of what Islam is like, I am less than encouraged what he accepted on a subject with less hard facts like theism.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

LOL, aren't we glad he's gone over to the "other side"? I'm glad I don't have to have his attitude in any way associated with my views.

Ahmen to that.but in my opinion atheists belive in science and what it can prove so no atheist should have the same belifes... and IF something comes along that proves your belifes wrong then you cange your belifes.i am not surprised when and atheist changes belifes... I DO IT ALL THE TIME ^_^edited to fix spelling errorsThis message has been edited by PerfectDeath, 12-12-2004 06:28 PM

I'm sorry about this, but I do think you'd do well to work on your spelling. You may have fixed some but not all.Do you have access to a word processor with spell check? Try entering your posts into that and then copying to here. For your own benefit you need to work on that.(mind you it is more of a do-as-I-say thing )

I beg to differ. I personally know a lot of atheists that have no interest in science. They are atheists because to them it is absurd to believe in immaterial pink unicorns. I'm really not sure whether you meant this in a positive or negative way. If you meant it in the negative way, can you tell me why it would be bad to change your belief, especially when evidence is overwhelmingly against your old belief?Would you say that we should still believe that the Earth is flat, or that the sun orbits the Earth? Good job, now just do it 3 more times

Here's an update. It seems someone has been a bit hasty with conclusions.

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"It's amazing what you can learn from DNA." - Desdamona.