Jews Rejected God's Offer

You made the statement that the Gentiles were given the same option that the Jews rejected, but you are unable to tell me what the specific option was and when specifically it was rejected by the Jews. And you provided: So when a Christian claims that the Jews rejected an offer from God, that's a mouthful. There should be something in the OT that shows that an offer was to be made either by God or the messiah.Paul was not the messiah.
Paul did not claim to speak for God.
Paul was not a disciple of Jesus.
Paul did not know Jesus.But his gospel is accepted over that of Jesus?I have found nothing in the OT or the teachings of Jesus to backup Paul's claims that the Jews were given an ultimatum by God or the messiah or that if they rejected it, the offer would then be given to the Gentiles. What was the offer?I've already shown you that some of Paul's quotes from the OT carry a different meaning than what was stated in the OT.Why do you need scholars? Paul himself says he says no more than Moses and the prophets. So the support should be there.No one has shown me that support yet.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

no jew is looking for spiritual liberation. they're not concerned with heaven or hell. the thought process is different. by blood, they are bound to law. some care, some don't. the messiahs they look for are not to save them from themselves, they're to save them from whoever is currently oppressing them.they're looking for a very real kind of salvation. in immanuel's case, it was against the assyrians. allow me to rephrase. is jesus the king of the united kingdoms of israel and judah? does he rule them and command their military? does he dictate the religious observances? yes. i do. usually on regular basis. he's not offering commentary or anything i couldn't have gathered just from reading the text. we all know that kings don't ride donkeys. they ride horses, and usually really nice ones.i've offered explanation of jewish poetic style. wycliffe doesn't understand it, and neither did matthew. they're both simply WRONG.john, by the way, records ONE animal, agreeing with my understanding of poetry.

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John 12:14,15

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And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, "Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt."

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i'm a big fan of this joke...

phatboy, you never answered my quotes from the quran about how christianity is sin, and you're being led astray by the devil.

Sure, Jar. I trust you.

Okay, so if we had a pact you'd expect me to keep it.Suppose a little later I also made another seperate pact with Nosy. Would you expect me to keep that pact as well?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes, because pacts are what they are. Made to be kept.

I don't know if this is true or not, but if the OT doesn't require Messiah to be of David's bloodline, what's your point? But,as I said, none of the thought-to-bes were named Immanuel.......so it's clearly not a requirement. I don't know about Hebrew, but it certainly does in English. Why do you keep bringing up the Assyrians? Clearly, in this day and age, even the Jews would admit that the prophecy doesn't LITERALLY speak of Jews being delivered from the Assyrians.......as they're currently free from the Assyrians, and yet they believe that Messiah has not yet come. Not in THIS world, as was evidenced by the fact that the fella you speak of (I forget his name) was taken up to heaven......he wasn't granted fleshly immortality, he was just spared death. Exactly........so were the old testament prophecies, largely, whether the Jews realized it or not. Oh, ok, when CHRISTIANS say something's literal, they're wrong, and when Jews do it, they're right....... Once again, you guys should really study up before making incorrect statements like this. All depends on how you define canon........if you believe that it's as holy as any other holy scripture (as the Jews do), then you consider it canon. Then you are my brother... But, as I said earlier, Jews can't even believe anymore that Messiah's gonna literally save them from the Assyrians and Babylonians, as Babylon doesn't even exist anymore...... Let's do that. Obviously, Matthew was working off of a flawed memory with the verses he quoted.......does that really make a difference?This message has been edited by YesthisisTrue, 11-23-2004 04:56 AM

BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

BTW, I see you guys are mentioning how NT people misquote the OT a lot......and you're right, technically. But nothing less should be expected; neither ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek even had quotation marks.......

Incorrect, sir.......which are why the books he wrote are part of teh word of God.

Don't just say it, show where Paul claimed to speak for God.Show where Paul says that all he is saying is from God.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Jesus didn't even claim that ALL he said was from God.......and neither has any figure in Biblical history. But it's clearly understood that Paul gives instruction from God. There are many Biblical accounts of God speaking audibly to Paul, as to a prophet. Many accounts of Paul performing miracles, again, like a prophet. And many accounts of Paul seeing visions, once again, like a prophet. And there are many instances in Paul's epistles in which he states "Not the Lord says this, but I" in which he's clearly implying that everything in that epistle is to be taken as revelation from God unless he specifically states otherwise.

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There are many Biblical accounts of God speaking audibly to Paul, as to a prophet.

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Don't just say it, show me, oh YeOfManyNames.List the verses.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.