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mike the wiz

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Message 91 of 94 (158173)
11-10-2004 7:51 PM

Reply to: Message 80 by nator
11-08-2004 3:26 PM

Re: Hpw do I convince a room of skeptics?

Shraff - we don't doubt your abilities to overcome hardships. But I think what Phathead (

) is saying is that he HAS experienced something and that he says this is God.

I know that you are trying to say "it ain't God" but that would be unfair on Phatboy because he says it is. Likewise - your story is also fine.

But get back to the truth!

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Message 92 of 94 (158174)
11-10-2004 8:08 PM

Reply to: Message 90 by jar
11-09-2004 3:51 PM

Re: OT warning alert but I couldn't help it.

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I'm sorry, but some folk just have way too much free time on their hands.

Not free time on their hands...free time in their heads.

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Message 93 of 94 (158175)
11-10-2004 8:12 PM

Reply to: Message 91 by mike the wiz
11-10-2004 7:51 PM

Re: Hpw do I convince a room of skeptics?

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Shraff - we don't doubt your abilities to overcome hardships. But I think what Phathead () is saying is that he HAS experienced something and that he says this is God.

Weeeelll, I think he also said that MY experience was of God as well.

All I am saying is that I didn't experience anything like what people who say God intervened, helped them, etc. say they felt so that they "just knew" that God was responsible.

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I know that you are trying to say "it ain't God"

Nope.

I'm saying that I don't know if it was God or not, and that nobody has told me how to tell if it was if it doesn't already require belief.

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Message 94 of 94 (162474)
11-22-2004 10:56 PM

Restatement of purpose

Just to get this thread back on track (the Belief...a choice? thread spurred my memory), I would like to restate my original inquiry in a less confused form.

If we assume that belief is something that cannot be controlled,* why would a loving God require it for salvation, as many evangelicals preach?

*If you wish to argue that it can be, the above thread would seem to be a more appropriate place - I'll be watching both and you could simply reference it if need be.

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