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Author Topic:   How do we know God is "Good"?
mike the wiz
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Message 218 of 305 (160478)
11-17-2004 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by lfen
11-17-2004 10:50 AM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
No. Jesus Christ said "Only one is good, that being God".

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Message 220 of 305 (160495)
11-17-2004 11:24 AM
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11-17-2004 11:15 AM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Ifen, you can't change things around to suit your own view. This wasn't "ethnic cleansing". The event is clearly told. Abraham argued for any righteous to be spared. Their wickedness and sins was too great, so Gos destroyed it. Nice try though.
But Mike, really, the defense is the truth, that is you don't have to defend God as these things never hanppened in the first place, or if they did it was people doing something but excusing themselves on the grounds that God told them to do it and that made it alright.
If it never happened, as you claim - why do you still blame God?
I defend God always, I'm open to the possibility that thse law books were handed down orally, and exaggerations in scripture might occur. But basically - wicked sinful humans were destroyed.
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Message 223 of 305 (160504)
11-17-2004 11:37 AM
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11-17-2004 11:33 AM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
I need a quote - and the name and address of each person killed, thanks.

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Message 225 of 305 (160512)
11-17-2004 11:46 AM
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11-17-2004 11:43 AM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
No fellow servant is allowed to kill me, because of the commandment "Do no murder", and Jesus's teachings to not even get angry at someone without cause.
Why? Are you claimin Soddom was uninhabited? When god says he killed all the male children of Egypt, do you not believe Him? Are you calling god a liar, Mike?
God didn't say there were any babies in Sodom. Please quote were he said there were children in Sodom, or at Noah's flood, and their names, thanks.

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mike the wiz
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Message 228 of 305 (160522)
11-17-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2004 11:52 AM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Don't you mean the firstborn in Egypt? Quote please!
Screwing like bunnies, doesn't necessarily get you baby bunnies, if God has made your wicked women barren.

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Message 229 of 305 (160523)
11-17-2004 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by NosyNed
11-17-2004 12:00 PM


Re: Babies in Sodom
Ned, have you read the talk between Abraham and God?
Basically, Abraham asks if there are any righteouss in Sodom and Gomorah, that God would spare it. God says there are none. I cannot lie, and pretend the scripture mentions babies.
As for Dawkins, he's not the most reasonable person to listen to.

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Message 231 of 305 (160527)
11-17-2004 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by NosyNed
11-17-2004 12:11 PM


Re: Babies in Sodom
I know.
It's great. You see - I am forced to take any position, even when highly improbable, yet possible.
When people can hand pick statements from the bible, and use them against believers, "specifics" become extremely important in debate. So it really doesn't matter how ludicrous my claim is, it's what the scripture says that counts.
This is my only way to eben out my prediciment. I am faced with people who will quote mine anything and everything to make God look bad, therefore - I will most certainly use against them, what isn't mentioned.

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Message 233 of 305 (160532)
11-17-2004 12:25 PM
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11-17-2004 12:11 PM


Re: Babies in Sodom
You asked what Abraham had to do with it. Abraham was an intercessor for the people therein;

And Abraham answered and said, behold now, I have taken it upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes [Notice his humility]- peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteouss, wilt thou destroy all the city for the lack of five?And he said, if I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it........., Peradventure there shall be found twenty there......., peradventure ten shall be found there, And he said I shall not destroy it for ten's sake

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Message 234 of 305 (160533)
11-17-2004 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2004 12:20 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Firstborn doesn't mean babies or children.
As for them being barren, I'd only need that quote if it first said there were babies. Since it doesn't - babies or barren are both addages, for which you are correct. Disregard my claim of "barren". likewise - I will disregard your laim of babies.

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Message 236 of 305 (160537)
11-17-2004 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2004 12:35 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Erm, no Dan - my position is highly reasonable. I admitted nothing to ned, I just told him how it works with you critters.
If you want to provide a reason why there are no babies, you have to show us why you think that.
No - you have to quote where it says God killed babies. Thanks.
My tactics are highly reaonable for one reason; I claim CHRISTianity. Yet no one mentions any good acts concerning Christ and the topic title. This basically means that you are hand picking events in the OT to use against God in anyway you can.
It is thereofore HIGHLY relevant and correct, for me to ask you for a quote if you are going to assert things about God.
If you can show where he killed babaies specifically, then that's fine. If you can't - tough cheese, I earn the right to observe scripture only- if you are going to attack our belief with it.
As for first born, it's been established that Rameses the second firstborn died in adulthood.
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Message 237 of 305 (160539)
11-17-2004 12:47 PM


For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.

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mike the wiz
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Message 239 of 305 (160541)
11-17-2004 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2004 12:54 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
I'm not saying that there were no babies on earth, I'm just saying that the scripture doesn't mention that there were any babies killed. If you want to accuse God of the bible, with the bible - then you must show it - in the bible. "Ludicrous" claims are irrelevant Dan. What is there is relevant. Let evry man be a liar - and God be truth!
Why would we? Christ has nothing to do with Sodom and Gomorrah, the plagues of Egypt, or the flood. He wasn't even born yet.
Definitely I say I AM before anyone.
So let's see if we can sum up... Mike is saying that there were no firstborn male children in Egypt... that there were no children in either Sodom or Gamorrah... and that there were no children anywhere on the planet at the time of the flood.
Incorrect. Mike makes no claims, you did. You claimed baby death, mike says it isn't mentioned. You claim firstborn being babies - mike says it isn't mentioned.
I claim what the scripture says. Please observe logic;
If a man claims that I am a hero - and I say that my report doesn't make me out to be a hero - soes that mean I am saying I am not a hero? Or - am I claiming my report doesn't say I am?
Message 237 is what the scripture says.
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Message 240 of 305 (160543)
11-17-2004 1:05 PM
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11-17-2004 12:54 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Also, "retards" and "idiotic" are irrelevant to this topic. Please don't make me think that those extreme radicalists are correct about you guys only being able to post insults when having been refuted in debate.

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mike the wiz
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Message 243 of 305 (160549)
11-17-2004 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Dan Carroll
11-17-2004 1:18 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Dan, Dan, Dan - I've provided what God said. Every firstborn - man - and also, Abraham pleads with God. I've provided both scriptures. I haven't claimed that there were no babies on earth during the flood because they could have been in heaven by then. AHAHAHAHAHA *swallows tongue*.
But it does say that everyone on Earth was killed. If you're saying no babies were killed, then you are saying there were no babies on Earth.
But how could I possibly know if there were any babies on earth at the time? All I can say is that the bible doesn't mention God killing babies in specific. Can I judge and say "God - erm, despite it not saying you killed babies - Dan says you did so what have you to say for yourself".
Again, I'm not claiming there weren't babies on earth, you have claimed something - that babies were killed, I have said - that the report doesn't mention this. That's all I have said on the matter.
You can repeat "but it doesn't specifically mention the babies" as many times as you want. But it still boils down to you defending the asinine idea that there were no babies to be found in any of these societies.
No, I have neither said that I am a hero or not a hero - it was you who made the claims here.
If I say "everyone was killed" - can you decidedly say that babies were killed?
It doesn't mention babies. If yu are saying that you can conclude things without the bible saying them things, then I conclude God put all babies on a spaceship untill it was over.
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mike the wiz
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Message 246 of 305 (160555)
11-17-2004 1:43 PM
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11-17-2004 1:34 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
So basically, you're saying that if you ignore the obvious implications of the Bible, then you won't have to think about the fact that God killed babies.
No - I'm saying that if you dismiss all logical possibilities, and count what the bible doesn't say - then I can invoke anything I want, if we are going to make God accountable for what the bible doesn't say. I now say that because the bible doesn't specifically mention babies - that God made a big baba spacecraft for all cutie babas to get on while the flood occurred, afterall - the bible doesn't say this.
1) Everyone on Earth was killed in the flood.
MUST that logically mean babies? Quote please.
) Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah was killed by God
I've established none were righteouss according to God.
Every first born male in Egypt was killed
I've established that it only mentions men.
See how relevant words like "retarded" and "idiotic" are here, Mike?
You still haven't quoted where God says he killed babies, in Sodom, or Egypt. If you say these things happened without the bible saying them, then I can also invoke my own topics. God said evolution occurred. because the bible doesn't mention it. Afterall, evolution did happen - everyone knows that! So if you can't see the biblical implications of evolution.......Roflamyazzoff.
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