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Topic: How do we know God is "Good"?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2463 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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Does the shopkeeper make rules for himself?
Shall he say to himself; "How dare you rob sweets". Can he rob sweets from his own shop I ask?
Well, yeah, he can rob himself, and should makes rules for himself. If he wants to have a profitable business he will not increase his food cost by eating his own inventory without paying for it.
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He made rules for us, he doesn't need any for himself, because he is the only one who is good.
1) Do we know the difference between good and evil? 2) Are you saying that we cannot apply this knowledge to God's actions? Didn't Adam and Eve eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Aren't we therefore "as Gods" because we have this knowledge? Doesn't that mean that we have the same knowledge of good and evil as God, and are therefore able to evaluate the goodness or evilness of his actions? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2004 10:26 AM
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
You feel guilty for pointing out when someone does something wrong? No, I feel guilty for judging God, according to my own self-righteousness. As only one is good, God. How can I accuse God of wrong? God is never wrong. God always executes justice for sin. The people od Sodom and Gomorah, were destoyed because of thir sin - they done it to themselves. Likewise, in the flood - read the preceeding sentences. You will always find a reason in the preceeding sentences. I dare you to read for each event, the preceeding sentences.
Then why would he have to kill them? Give it thirty years, (which apparently is nothing to God) and they'll all grow old and die, without leaving anyone to carry on their wicked ways. God at that time, chose to deal with the wicked through righteous anger and practical justice. Abraham pleaded with God, God found none good. Can you quote where it says babies died, thanks.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2463 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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God is never wrong.
Even when god himself says that he made a mistake?
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 214 of 305 (160460)
11-17-2004 10:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 213 by nator
11-17-2004 10:28 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Job was just, and he repented. God usually repents even for what he was going to do. That's like me walking into a police station, and saying "I am sorry, I was going to rob a granny".  God regretted he made man on the earth, because of his wicked evil sinful nature. The shopkeeper isn't a thief, if he eats his own sweets, - they're his sweets! Even those of you who protest against Bush - why do you waste your time? There is nothing you can do anymore. You see, jusgement means a little with this matter - but means nothing with God.
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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
God is never wrong. So God is never wrong because God is never wrong. Got it.
The people od Sodom and Gomorah, were destoyed because of thir sin - they done it to themselves. Those damn babies, asking for it like that... wallowing in their own sin with no shame at all...
Can you quote where it says babies died, thanks. No, thank you for supporting the idea that belief in Christianity demands that you not put any thought into what you read. It's a simple scenario, Mike. Two towns that screw all the time. No birth control. Both towns are destroyed, none survive. But no babies were killed, because... y'know, no babies were killed. Besides, that would be wrong, and God is never wrong because God is never wrong.
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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Even those of you who protest against Bush - why do you waste your time? There is nothing you can do anymore. You see, jusgement means a little with this matter - but means nothing with God. Probably the same reason all those martyrs chose to be eaten by lions rather than bow to an unjust authority.
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4971 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Are you saying I should not trust God. but rather judge him? Mike, Mike! You are judging God. Saying God is good that is a judgement. To discriminate good and bad/evil and to discriminate God as good is judging. lfen
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 218 of 305 (160478)
11-17-2004 10:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 217 by lfen
11-17-2004 10:50 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
No. Jesus Christ said "Only one is good, that being God".
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4971 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
God would have foreseen these people's sin, and not granted them any babies. If he had done that why not go all the way and not have granted the parents of the sinners the birth of the babies destined to grow up to be such sinners? This argument only pushes the problem back it's not an excuse. But Mike, really, the defense is the truth, that is you don't have to defend God as these things never hanppened in the first place, or if they did it was people doing something but excusing themselves on the grounds that God told them to do it and that made it alright. Ethnic cleansing has appealed to people for a long time. At the time that story was written the moral development or thinking of humanity didn't see anything wrong with it so they didn't see anything wrong with God doing it. Today we have progressed, not God, but humans and many but not all feel ethnic cleaning is wrong and so when it occurs as it so tragically has in recent times voices and even organisations including churches decry it. The thing is that in attempting to defend the notion that the Bible is inerrant and God is 100% omniscient, good, and powerful you are arguing as an apologist for ethnic cleansing an evil. When you get results of 1=0, or good=evil you should strongly suspect that there is a contradiction inherent in your premise, or your logic. lfen
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 220 of 305 (160495)
11-17-2004 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 219 by lfen
11-17-2004 11:15 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Ifen, you can't change things around to suit your own view. This wasn't "ethnic cleansing". The event is clearly told. Abraham argued for any righteous to be spared. Their wickedness and sins was too great, so Gos destroyed it. Nice try though.
But Mike, really, the defense is the truth, that is you don't have to defend God as these things never hanppened in the first place, or if they did it was people doing something but excusing themselves on the grounds that God told them to do it and that made it alright. If it never happened, as you claim - why do you still blame God? I defend God always, I'm open to the possibility that thse law books were handed down orally, and exaggerations in scripture might occur. But basically - wicked sinful humans were destroyed. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-17-2004 11:25 AM
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contracycle
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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If he does something bad, sure.
Well he did, lots of them. Which have been recouinted at great length. I don't care if god thought the people of Soddom were wicked. Why does gods opinion matter? He killed them all anyway - men women children and old toothless grandparents.
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contracycle
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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But basically - wicked sinful humans were destroyed.
If I decide you are sinful and wicked, do I have the right to destroy you?
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
I need a quote - and the name and address of each person killed, thanks.
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contracycle
Inactive Member
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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I need a quote - and the name and address of each person killed, thanks.
Why? Are you claimin Soddom was uninhabited? When god says he killed all the male children of Egypt, do you not believe Him? Are you calling god a liar, Mike? Now answer the question: If I decide you are sinful and wicked, do I have the right to kill you? This message has been edited by contracycle, 11-17-2004 11:44 AM
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
No fellow servant is allowed to kill me, because of the commandment "Do no murder", and Jesus's teachings to not even get angry at someone without cause.
Why? Are you claimin Soddom was uninhabited? When god says he killed all the male children of Egypt, do you not believe Him? Are you calling god a liar, Mike? God didn't say there were any babies in Sodom. Please quote were he said there were children in Sodom, or at Noah's flood, and their names, thanks.
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