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Topic: How do we know God is "Good"?
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 196 of 305 (160425)
11-17-2004 9:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by nator
11-17-2004 9:39 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Everyone of their thoughts was continually wicked. God makes it apparent to Abraham - that if there are any righteous, he will spare them. Also, the bible doesn't say any babies were killed in the flood. Yet who am I to judge God, Shraff? If he give - and takes away, can I punish him at the end of days?
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Dan Carroll
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Message 197 of 305 (160431)
11-17-2004 9:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by nator
11-17-2004 9:39 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
What about in the Flood? Or any children who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah?
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Abraham was the intercessor, and asked God to spare it if there were any righteous. God agreed. There weren't any.
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Dan Carroll
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Abraham was the intercessor, and asked God to spare it if there were any righteous. God agreed. There weren't any. So children and babies can be "not righteous?"
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Can you show me where it says there were babies and children? 
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nator
Member (Idle past 2465 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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Everyone of their thoughts was continually wicked.
Infants don't have any thoughts other than eating and pooping. How could they be "continually wicked?"
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God makes it apparent to Abraham - that if there are any righteous, he will spare them. Also, the bible doesn't say any babies were killed in the flood.
"Everything that breathes" was supposed to be destroyed, right? Doesn't that include children? Are you saying that 1) the Ark was filled with hundreds of thousands of babies? 2) or perhaps there were only adults alive at the time? How would that make sense?
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Yet who am I to judge God, Shraff? If he give - and takes away, can I punish him at the end of days?
Did God give you the ability to judge right from wrong? Does God follow his own rules of morality and ethics? If you are just going to say "who am I to judge God", then you are willing to excuse any atrocity or evil that the BIBLE SAYS god is responsible for. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2004 10:03 AM
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Dan Carroll
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Can you show me where it says there were babies and children? Right after you show me where it says that God wants you to wuss out of considering difficult moral issues.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2465 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Can you show us any place on Earth, past or present, where humans live together in clans, villages, or cities, where there aren't any children? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2004 10:07 AM
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 204 of 305 (160442)
11-17-2004 10:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 201 by nator
11-17-2004 10:01 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Infants don't have any thoughts other than eating and pooping. In the NT, it says when we are born - we are guilty of neither right or wrong. But God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy, - and not - on who he will not. But firstly, you can't just invoke baby death were there might not be any.
Doesn't that include children? In those days - God would have made the wicked barren. If there was a child to be spared, Abraham would have mentioned it to God - or Noah.
Did God give you the ability to judge right from wrong?
Does God follow his own rules of morality and ethics? Though I know good and evil, we are not able to judge God. What punishment could I give God anyway? Is he not the only one who is good? Yes! he is the only on who is good!
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nator
Member (Idle past 2465 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
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Though I know good and evil, we are not able to judge God. What punishment could I give God anyway? Is he not the only one who is good? Yes! he is the only on who is good!
You didn't answer fully. I asked, "Does God follow his own rules of morality and ethics?"
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Dan Carroll
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Message 206 of 305 (160444)
11-17-2004 10:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 203 by nator
11-17-2004 10:07 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Can you show us any place on Earth, past or present, where humans live together in clans, villages, or cities, where there aren't any children? Hell, I'll go you one better. Can you show me two towns, any place on Earth, past or present, where humans live together in clans, villages, or cities, who are specifically identified as screwing like monkeys in heat, in a time before birth control, where there aren't any children?
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Message 207 of 305 (160445)
11-17-2004 10:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 205 by nator
11-17-2004 10:11 AM
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
Does the shopkeeper make rules for himself? Shall he say to himself; "How dare you rob sweets". Can he rob sweets from his own shop I ask? He made rules for us, he doesn't need any for himself, because he is the only one who is good.
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Dan Carroll
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
What punishment could I give God anyway? What does that matter? There are plenty of people on Earth I'm not in a position to punish, but I still know they're doing wrong. Many of them are in Government. "Authority" and "power" are not synonymous with "good".
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mike the wiz
Member Posts: 4758 From: u.k Joined: 05-24-2003
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
But Abraham asked God if there were any to be spared. Are you saying I should not trust God. but rather judge him? Am I not already guilty enough in this department? God would have foreseen these people's sin, and not granted them any babies.
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Dan Carroll
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Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
But Abraham asked God if there were any to be spared. So what? We're asking if God did something bad. "God said it was okay" isn't really an effective defense.
Are you saying I should not trust God. but rather judge him? If he does something bad, sure.
Am I not already guilty enough in this department? You feel guilty for pointing out when someone does something wrong?
God would have foreseen these people's sin, and not granted them any babies. Then why would he have to kill them? Give it thirty years, (which apparently is nothing to God) and they'll all grow old and die, without leaving anyone to carry on their wicked ways.
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