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Author Topic:   Is Faith Harmless?
Gilgamesh
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Message 8 of 20 (153986)
10-29-2004 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
10-28-2004 10:50 PM


Re: I think you may be making a mistake.
Mr Hambre wrote:
The mindset of faith, especially faith in invisible deities and rewards in the afterlife, is not conducive to critical thinking or responsible discourse.
Jar responded:
I think you would have a hard time supporting such an assertion. While there might well be differences between two people who discuss faith or religion, I don't think you can arbitrarily say that those with faith are less able to think critically than those without.
There are simply too many very clever and successful theists to suggest that they cannot engage in any critical thinking or responsible discourse. However, those with faith compartmentalise. They are able to function and think normally and critically in most aspects of their lives except where apsects of their lives fall within the realms of their religious beliefs.
Within the realms of their faith, there is little to no critical thinking or responsible discourse. And this can involve critically important social apsects of their lives, like politics and science, so depending upon the nature of their faith, they may be valueless contributors to society.

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Gilgamesh
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Message 10 of 20 (154000)
10-29-2004 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by jar
10-29-2004 12:53 AM


Re: I have a feeling you've never hung around any Jesuits.
Jar wrote:
I guess I've found that not to be the case. While there are obvious nut cases, frauds and frankly, hooligans among the faith based community, there are also quite a few who do try to hold responsible discourse.
That's where I beg to differ. I have close friends who are theists, but I have learnt not to discuss religion with them. When your delve into religion there is a transition where you can detect resistance and emotional vulnerability. Critical thinking is replaced with emotional appeals in this realm and I dare not go there with friends.
Jar wrote:
Sure, but is that limited to only those you would class as faith based? There have been many examples of people holding fanatical beliefs and acting on them that were not faith based.
Yea, and they don't contribute much to society either. I think we are in agreeance then that people who are incapable of critical thinking or responsible discourse are incapable of contributing positvely to society. So let's ensure that faith which excludes critical thinking or responsible discourse is never in a position to affect society, which is probably Mr Hambre's point anyway.

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