Lucifer/Satan is...bad?

Yes. This seems to be his tactic. He made me describe the "fruit of the spirit" in another topic, and then when I'd finished my lenghty explanation, he said; "how is this relevant to the topic?". I suspect his name is fitting very well to this approach to debate. He sleeps and when he awakes, attacks. Who's that other dragon I've heard about? I suspect SD is probably younger than you, given his wild unsupported statements about people. I'm guessing he's about 12 years old, as he seems to visit the dictionary too often. ROFLMAO

To mike_the_wiz:Thank you for your post.Reply to your post: Very interesting this. My claim that you are a bigot was met with: Ok. So you're saying that my claim was not valid because anyone can see that it is not. *sigh* Well, if you pull out the "anyone" card, I'll have to surrender my arguments (even though they have not been shown to be invalid in any way) and succumb to your will. Is that how it works in Christianity, or just with you? Again?Sigh.Consider a hypothetical claim:"Fact is, all unbelievers are going to be slaughtered and their corpses hung upside-down like the great criminal Fishyfishy by the great lord Chuppachup, as written in the Great Book. Christians, being believers of a single entity of God, bear a suspicious resemblance to the great criminal, and thus, they shall all be slaughtered and flayed and battered and then deep fried in the frying pan in the deepest hottest pits of Hades to clean away their Christianity. Their beliefs and crimes against Chuppachup go hand in hand."Does the above hypothetical argument "recognise and respect" (and thus tolerate) Christianity? I am sorry, but your idea of respect is a fabulous display of intolerance. Perhaps you should find out what respect means. And my point is that if we are all Christians, there won't be any other religions in the world, and therefore, there will not be any diversity. This was my initial point, before you fully misunderstood it and started ranting about "obliteration". Wahahahahahahahaha! What? You think that respect and tolerance is in treatment alone? How naive?! No wonder you believe you are tolerant! Tolerance means that you respect what they believe, not only their person.It means that you should respect their gods, their religions, their culture. And before you say: "But I do!", let me cut in and say that stating someone's beliefs go hand in hand with satan, and that other religions are fake, are NOT signs of respecting their gods OR their religion.If you can tell me how you respect something by associating it with Satan, or by calling it fake, PLEASE tell me. I am all ears.If you cannot do so, then kindly be quiet and live out the rest of your life knowing that you are a bigot. Going off on a big post allows me to express all the things I question about your posts (which is a lot) and explain all the things I said that you questioned. I never said that it makes me right or wrong - it's merely the annoyance of communicating via a written medium, and it cannot be helped.HOWEVER, it is helpful in keeping track of an argument and identifying instances when opponents have been using circular arguments, unsupported claims, vague claims, and idiosyncrasy, all of which you shamelessly practice with high frequency.You need a dictionary when what you mean by a word differ drastically from what everyone else mean by it. If "Yes" means "No" to you, I will ask you to consult a dictionary. If respect means calling something "go hand in hand with Satan" and "fake" to you, then I will again ask you to consult a dictionary. Confusion arose from your shallow understanding and lack of debating skills. I cannot help that.Patiently awaiting your reply.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

To Hangdawg13: Debate is based on the hypothetical. If you come into a debate with the truth, you are not debating but giving a lecture. I am/was sincerely trying to learn of your point of view. But learning it does not, I hope, mean that I cannot question it, challenge it, or refute it should I find it unreasonable or curiously lacking.I am not prepared to take things on face value, no. In much the same way that you will not believe that I have been to the moon just because I tell you. If you cannot continue a debate because your opponent (in this case, me) refuses to accept your perspective on face value, I sincerely wish you good luck in future debates.By the way, I do not know everything from psychology. It is a source of information, much like a phonebook. If you challenge anything I have said, you are welcome to look it up and verify it. If your arguments surpass mine, I will revise my own thinking in light of yours. This is how debates work. Au contrare. A good debater does not make a view point right, but he/she can make a convincing argument. To be a good debater is to present your own argument while questioning the flaws in your opponent's argument. THIS is how you learn from debates - to be shown the flaws in your arguments and to explain it if you believe it to be flawless.Also, I don't know if it is the same in religions, but authority hold no contest against logic and reason in science, law, medicine, and all other aspects of society alike. If something is blatantly wrong and you can find the flaw in their argument/perspective, it doesn't matter what authority the individual hold - you can always question their views.As my signiture implies, respect is earned, not given. A respectable individual is not respectable if they engage in shameful activities. The lowest begger or thief is respectable if they do noble deeds. This is the same with authority. Individuals hold places of authority because we believe they have the integrity to hold that position. Should their actions prove otherwise, they will be removed from that position. It is that simple.Thank you Hangdawg13, for the debate. And believe me when I say that I have learnt much from it. Take care.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

To mike_the_wiz: Where is the problem with this, exactly? You brought up the idea of "fruit of the spirit" in the thread, justifying your position because of this concept. I was ignorant to the concept and asked you to explain it. You did so. I questioned the reason why you believe it to be relevant to the topic of dicussion, because I don't see the connection.Yeap, sounds reasonable to me. Are you just trying to make me sound bitter by taking my words out of context? ^_^ My psuedonym arose from the nickname of an individual in the fictitious history of an ancient civilisation. If your knowledge empowers you to do so, please interprete my psuedonym with reference to the actual context. "Wild unsupported statements" eh? You are welcome to demand support for ANY and ALL of my claims, yet you have failed dismally in supporting your own.Remember the "Prayers vs. Divine plan" thread? Remember when I listed the examples of your use of unsupported claims and unintentional/deliberate vagueness? NOW who's being hypocritical?If your idea of a 12 year old is one who "visits" ("consults" would be a far better word) the dictionary often, then you have just degraded yourself below the literary rank of a 12 year old.Have a nice day ^_^.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

Yo, where you been sleeping at, Dragon? You have not posted in over a month! In reference to this quote, do you simply enjoy debating as a verbal challenge and entertainment, rather like fencing? Is it not so important to prove a point as to parry anyone elses attempts to prove one?
Patiently awaiting your reply.

Did you know that unintentional and deliberate are infact two different things? But first - I have to infact agree to being vague, and I don't.I think it was a good thing that Phatboy "let you win" so to speak - as I knew that is all it would take for you to leave this forum. But infact u still haven't actually refuted what I said - as you admitted not even dealing with what I said - and so - that thread was "your ride" - people could only join in if they agreed with you. Yet irrefutable mike's position is still correct.Patiently awaiting your reply...with a smile on my face, Phatboy.(Patience provides the last word)