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Author Topic:   Blasphemy in Science
edge
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Message 26 of 40 (148556)
10-08-2004 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Robert Byers
10-08-2004 3:28 PM


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Wow. You are the first Toe'er I've seen on this forum to say that we are dealing here with history. Historical sciences as opposed to something else. Progress.
The operative word being 'science', of course.
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As you said it must employ other means of testing to confirm the theories involved.
And this is important. Those means must be substantive enough to justify a claim that testing has taken place to justify a theory being held.
What would be 'substantive enough' for you?
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Of coarse we would say Toe doesn't fit the bill.
And, of course, you will fail to back up your statement.
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Now you put forth the idea of what should be found in what layer as a test of Toe. I would say this would not test Toe but only a a prediction of Toe.
Okaaaaaay. This is silly. So a prediction is not good enough for you. Why does it work then?
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a minor one.
LOL! It wasn't so minor two hundred years ago when William Smith started predicting rock types and fossils on the horizon. To you this is 'minor', but flood geology failed miserably at this task of explaining fossils. Which one would you bet your paycheck on?
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One that only barely touches on the subject of biology.
It barely touches on quantum mechanics also. So what? Above, you were saying that evolution is 'history' now you say it is biology. Which is it?
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In short its a fallacy to think fossils in sequence can be a test of a great theory of biology.
If that's all you think evolution is then you are probably hopeless.
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All other kinds of explanations can account for fossil sequence.
Such as?
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And it is all specualtion by its very nature. Also of coarse the geology is itself speculation. Premise onpremise.
More nonsense. In fact, you just mentioned that it was predictive. Funny how all those speculations actually work! How do you explain this? Coincidence?
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The test you suggest does not qualify to say Toe has been tested. even if the test worked and indeed was right.
It does work. Explorationists use it every day. Why do you think that is? More coincidences? Tell us what YEC would predict about the fossil succession. Then tell us who actually uses it.
And please tell us who you are to decide what is appropriate scientific procedure. Who gives you the authority to judge what is a 'minor prediction' or a 'major test'?

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edge
Member (Idle past 1736 days)
Posts: 4696
From: Colorado, USA
Joined: 01-09-2002


Message 28 of 40 (148769)
10-10-2004 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by MrPhy42
10-09-2004 4:07 PM


Well, ...
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...I wasgoing to ask those things, thanks for taking care of it for me edge.
I'm sure you will get your chance. Robert will be on my ignore list with another post like that. Everybody starts out the same with me, but I have a low tolerance for cognitive dissonance.

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