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Author Topic:   Existence of Noah's Ark
riVeRraT
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Message 213 of 256 (147382)
10-05-2004 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by jar
10-04-2004 8:36 PM


Thats not entirely true jar, I understand that already.

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Message 216 of 256 (147390)
10-05-2004 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by arachnophilia
10-05-2004 12:58 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
Good stuff.

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riVeRraT
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Message 217 of 256 (147398)
10-05-2004 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by DrJones*
10-05-2004 2:25 AM


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
WEll, I'm not sure either. I really didn't think enough about it.
I just blurted something out.
I guess it would be linear.
If it lost its heat, it would lose it to space. Space is mighty cold.
Not only that it would be colder than the atmosphere as it fell back down, and would have a cooling effect. Like a giant cooling tower.
I am picturing what happens in thunderheads, to a greater degree. Thats where hail comes from, you know that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 220 of 256 (147422)
10-05-2004 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by NosyNed
10-05-2004 2:51 AM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Well, I do own a HVAC business, and happen to know a little about dissapation of heat with liquids.
If water was exposed to the vacum of space with heat in it, before it could freeze it might boil off and lose its heat to space during that process. The boiling point of water lowers in a vacum.

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Message 221 of 256 (147423)
10-05-2004 8:54 AM
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10-05-2004 3:03 AM


I will.

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riVeRraT
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Message 223 of 256 (147635)
10-05-2004 7:12 PM
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10-05-2004 9:09 AM


I believe I explained that already.
I am not claiming that any of this is true, just talking about it with the experts.

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riVeRraT
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Message 227 of 256 (147683)
10-06-2004 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Gary
10-05-2004 8:26 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Yes it can, just not as well as anything else, because it is the worst conductor.
Why is the dark side of the planet so cold then? Its not just due to lack of sun.
Also why does it stay warmer at night if it is cloudy? Because the clouds block the heat from escaping into space.
Think of the temperatures on the moon, front and back.
There has to be some cooling effect.
And thank you, at least you understand what I am trying to say.

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riVeRraT
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Message 228 of 256 (147686)
10-06-2004 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by tsig
10-05-2004 8:53 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
I own a HVAc company, not just a tech.
I really don't work on absorbtion systems, as my company isn't that big yet. I also didn't get a chance to work on them with other companys, but I have worked on many buildings in Manhattan, with major cooling systems for computer rooms. Liebert machines.
But this point you bring out, is what I am trying to say to you. Do you know why it operates in a vacum?
Do you know why we pull a vacum on a system before charging it with freon?
And technically it doesn't produce cold, you cannot produce cold, you can only remove heat. There is absolute zero, and then everything after that is heat. Cold is a reletive term to describe how you feel in certain tempuratures.

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riVeRraT
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Message 233 of 256 (148042)
10-07-2004 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Rrhain
10-07-2004 3:34 AM


Re: Ararat & the Black Sea
What keeps the water pressed up against the side of the mountain in a flood of the mountain rather than draining away into the valley?
Its just amazing that you can't see what I am trying to say.
More water, fo rthe time that it is raining.
I am not talking about after the rain stops.
Try your little experiment, but first make the mass 25% the surface area of the tub, then pour a thimble full of water and watch it run off. This would represent a regular rainfall amount.
Now talk a small bucket and do the same, this would represent the rainfall amount I am talking about. For the period of time that it was raining, it would be flooded.
And if you want to compare run-off rates to real life, you would have to make a scale time-clock to represent how fast it would run-off in full scale.
Then the mountain isn't completely flooded and that is what you are claiming happened. If the highest part is sticking out of the water, then that highest part isn't flooded.
But a t rainfall rate of 4" per hour, it would be wet, running-off, and flooded, and there-for covered in water, even if was only a 1/4" of water, it would be covered. I think I stated this about 4 times already, but through your logic you feel the need to keep asking me about this.
Can you explain your thought processs that leads you to do this?

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riVeRraT
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Message 235 of 256 (148118)
10-07-2004 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Coragyps
10-07-2004 12:29 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Good, now how does the water get out of the system?

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riVeRraT
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Message 239 of 256 (148235)
10-07-2004 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Coragyps
10-07-2004 2:30 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Ok, now the ignorant question.
Why does hail fall from thunderstorms?
And yes, I fully understand why water evoprates from a refrigeration system. I think its cool that you know too. You learn that in college, or are you in the field?

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riVeRraT
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Message 241 of 256 (148237)
10-07-2004 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by tsig
10-07-2004 10:30 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Well my point is that at that altitude one of two things are going to happen. The water is going to turn to ice, or it will have enough heat to boil off, or partially boil off. Remeber how cold it is up that high.
Liek my last post, ice falls from clouds, so that water doesn't heat up enough to boil the earth.
I am not sure here about this, go ahead and explain it to me if I am wrong.
Not being an expert, but from what I have learned, the updraft in a thunderstorm carries the moisture up high enough for it to turn to ice. Then that ice falls without melting. I am guessing that on a larger scale this model would look different?

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riVeRraT
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Message 243 of 256 (148288)
10-08-2004 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by jar
10-07-2004 10:39 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
And carries the rain upwards?
Doesn't that kind of go along with what I am saying?

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riVeRraT
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Message 244 of 256 (148291)
10-08-2004 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Coragyps
10-07-2004 10:54 PM


Re: You are simply not equiped
Right, so probably, the mechanism that would cause such a rainfall, coming from the oceans waters as I am proposing, would carry with it a lot of heat, and do the same thing. Then all that heat from kinetic energy of a raindrop falling would be a non-issue.
And congradulations, you might know more than some HVAC mechanics. You probably understand how it works more than most.

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