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Author | Topic: Exactly 'HOW' intelligent must a Designer be ? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
John Inactive Member |
quote: ... string of syllables which resemble language but carry no meaning... much like the post to which I was responding. Sorry, Phillip but you aren't doing anything but reciting opinion. This is the cause of any zombification which may be becoming noticable. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Philip:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator: --It's credible science; it never fails to rebut the non-naturalistic problems of stating that men evolved as zombifications (soul-less, mindless, heartless, powerless, etc), which is erroneous.[/b][/QUOTE] I'm sorry, what? What credible science rebuts non-naturalistic problems? ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I see nothing resembling science in that paragraph.
quote: Please note, you said 'credible science'
quote: 'God did it!' fits all data.
quote: Phillip, it is nothing but God-of-the-gaps.
quote: There is no metaphysical data. If there were metaphysical data it would be called 'physical data' ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Philip:
[B]Frank, I have a B.A. in Psychology! Not a B.S.! Much of psychology, Freud, Adler, Horney, Jung, etc., is metaphysical. Freud, for example, gives us concepts of the psyche, the sea of the subconscious, libido, and hosts of other metaphysical concepts.[/quote] [/b] Metaphors for the sometimes bizarre way we think, but hardly proof of anything extra-physical.
quote: Wow!!! We agree, at least on the demeaning humanity part.
[quote][b]Yet, Shraf speaks of her husband doing research psychology that seems perhaps to fit naturalistic behavioral psychologic science: a more focused and disciplined endeavor.[/quote] [/b] Not sure what your point is here. I do follow Schraf's distinction between research and applied psychology, though.
quote: But the scientific method demands evidence and reprocucibility of results. This rules out meta-physical phenomena. This doesn't seem to fit what you've argued in the past.
quote: There doesn't have to be a biological basis for 'higher' communication which I take to mean such things as the debate we are now having. What there has to be is a basis for communication which allows for higher communication. See the difference? Our hyper-braininess may be a developement that will eventually get lost by the wayside-- an experiment gone wrong.
quote: I am betting this discontinuity isn't as dramatic as you percieve it to be.
quote: Don't know what you mean here.
quote: Maybe, but I wonder if linguistics even addresses this at all.
quote: Depends on where you draw the line. I think that any adaptation, language included, fits into the grand scheme of evolution. I think we've been over my feeling on this.
quote: Statement, not argument.
quote: Sans biological evolution? OK. Languages change but it is weird to attribute it to devolution. Kinda implies that the hypothetical original language was somehow better.
quote: Arguement from incredulity.
quote: huh?
quote: I'm not surprised. Those are the native religions. You are what your mommie and daddie tell you.
quote: I think this betrays a metaphysical/religious belief that most Christians today would reject if they actually thought about it.
quote: I think that was Schraf's point.
quote: Interesting but still an argument from incredulity.
quote: Oh come on.... you can find analogous things today if you look for them, but not within an art form that doesn't have the pervalence it once did.
quote: The languages of Shakespear and the KJV are themselves 'devolved' from other languages. English is bad middle english. Middle English is bad old english. Old english is bad old german. ... and so on and so on.[/b][/quote] quote: And french is bad latin....
quote: Yikes.... I like whales but whale music makes me want to shoot myself. Now you know what to get me for Christmas.
quote: Interesting that brains, for which we have evidence, enable souls, for which we have no evidence at all.
quote: Boy would I love to hear that lamb squeal!!
quote: Ah yes, the second law again. It is not applicable to open systems.
quote: Believable or not, such mutations are there and are as significant as they need to be-- which is actually quite insignificant on a mutation by mutation basis.
quote: Nope, sorry.... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I know we don't have all the answers. That is different from making up the answers when need be.
quote: If you mean that I do not believe in that for which I can find no evidence, then I suppose you are right. I don't believe in dragons either, or Ming the Merciless. Should I?
quote: 'cept this is only demeaning from your point of view, not from mine.
quote: hmmm.... well there was that bit about the squealing lamb... but most of my post was dead serious.
quote: I am not aware that I parrot Shraf.
quote: I am not naturalistic in perspective really, more like empirical, and yes, there is a difference. I am also not trying to strengthen my resolve. My resolve, what I have of it, comes from my thinking; not the other way around. Give me evidence, I'll change my mind. Simple. I don't want to eradicate anyone. But search for truth I will. Hence, the debate. If this forum wasn't serving the purpose of stimulating my thoughts, I wouldn't be here. [qutoe]Did it ever occur to you that the mega-ToE may be mere speculation only and is easily disproven by, and, is outside the realm of naturalistic science? Then what? Currently you disagree. But if you are so sure of your hypotheses, why debate them here? What (redemptive) good could come of it? Your time is expensive, in my opinion.[/quote] The moment I stop learning I start to die. Simple and direct. Time is an expense I have always paid for such things, and I wish I had more time to spend.
quote: Peradventure, we turn to God.
quote: What do you think prodded a 14 year old kid to bury himself in books instead of girlfriends? What do you think led this kid to quit high school and go to college at 17 instead of waiting bored in class for another year? Why do you think I majored in Philosophy and Anthrology instead of something that actually earns money? Why do you think I own more books than most people would read in fifty lifetimes? And on top of that go through one or two audio book per week (Audio.com... brainiac heaven). Why do I spend all my time surfing the web and writing? Why do I rate movies by how much they make me think thoughts I wouldn't otherwise have thought? I can give you a nutshell version of every major mythology on the planet, more than a nutshell version of most. Ask me something I don't know, I'll look it up, often to the point of neglecting my job. ( Luckily, I am self-employed )Why? Eh? You don't know me Phillip. My jesting stopped long ago.
quote: I remember. What I don't remember are reasons why I should accept what you postulate rather that any of a thousand other options. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Philosophers can tend to be hyper-specialized to be sure.
quote: Ya know, Phillip, I am painfully aware of the problems of empiricism-- not in the details, as in evolutionary sequences and such, but in the logical and theoretical underpinnings of it. I just don't see an option (with fewer problems that is). ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: And these eight letters are basically a function of the physical properties of sound. There are only a few stable notes. Intereference blurs most frequencies. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I was adding too, not detracting from... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I second that motion. Oh no.... now you have to reply again. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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