Existence of Noah's Ark

Or there was a flood I am only trying to accomplish a thought, that the entire earth could be covered in water with the water contained within. To no specific hieght.
If there is 1/4" of water on a surface, it is covered.

Until it drains away, stop playing word games.

But it ain't 15 cubits......pretty unscriptural if you ask me, RR.

That is why I asked you why the Mississippi flood of 1993 lasted as long as it did? You still have not answered that question.What folk have been trying to tell you are basically four things.

1. The mechanics for a major world-wide flood would leave definte, clear and lasting evidence. Such evidence is not found anywhere.
2. The mechanics for a world-wide flood would also lead to conditions that would preclude anything living through it.
3. There is not enough water to flood all or even most mountains.
4. Water runs down hill.

So back towards the topic which is the existence of the Ark. There is simply no evidence for a world-wide flood as described in the Bible or other myths. Since such a flood never happened, it is unlikely that there is an Ark to be found anywhere.

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Imo, your model is not relative to my hypothesis. My hypothesis has a greater quantity of water in a greater volumn of atmosphere than is observed on earth today. If your atmospheric ceiling were at, say, 70,000 feet, as compared to 35,000 feet, the greater atmosphere could contain more water and maintain a livable atmospheric pressure on earth's surface. In order for this to happen, likely there would need be an adjustment in gravity or something physiological, but hey, that must have been the case if the Biblical account is true, for indeed, something had to have happened providentially to cause the flood to happen and the vapor canopy to condense into rain. The Biblical record definitely has a far different earth and atmosphere, pre-flood than is observed today.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Buz:Hold a rock that weighs one ounce in your hand, that measures 3.5 centimeters tall. Hold a piece of cork that weighs one ounce in your hand that measures 7 centimeters tall.Which is heavier?It doesn't matter how high up/how spread out the atmosphere is. It's all still there, so it's all still pushing down on you, unless the hand of God is holding it up. The pressure at the base of a column of fluid is based solely on how much mass of fluid is above you, not how tall the volume of fluid is (air is a compressible fluid). It's Bernoulli's Law, and is critical in designing everything on the planet earth that humans use that involves high-pressure fluids (dams, pipes, refining, etc).As for your "gravity changing" proposal, are you proposing a change of gravity on just Earth, or the universe as a whole?

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Would it not just be easier if we get the crevos to give us a list of all the laws of physics that were different "pre-flood"?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 10-01-2004 02:40 PM

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Imo, your model is not relative to my hypothesis. My hypothesis has a greater quantity of water in a greater volumn of atmosphere than is observed on earth today. If your atmospheric ceiling were at, say, 70,000 feet, as compared to 35,000 feet, the greater atmosphere could contain more water and maintain a livable atmospheric pressure on earth's surface. In order for this to happen, likely there would need be an adjustment in gravity or something physiological, but hey, that must have been the case if the Biblical account is true, for indeed, something had to have happened providentially to cause the flood to happen and the vapor canopy to condense into rain. The Biblical record definitely has a far different earth and atmosphere, pre-flood than is observed today.

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If you think anything above is in any way defensible, I have a bridge I want to sell you. So now we have to ignore the fact that you want to quadruple the atmospheric pressure, suspend gravity through magic, and assume a physiological change in every single organism from bacteria to man that has since disappeared. Next you'll be telling us that Wonderland (ie Alice in . .) was a pre-fall amusement park.

I just love when you try to explain that to me. Its so funny.

riVeRraT responds to me:

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A flood is when a sizeable shell of water lies upon what is normally dry land.

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Until it drains away,

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At which point it is no longer a flood.Please stop playing word games. If you're talking about a flood, then stick with the commonly understood meaning of the word. A flood is water that REMAINS in a place where there normally isn't water.Whether the water later gets carried away is irrelevant. In order for it to be a "flood," the water needs to stick around for awhile.If I tell you, "My basement is flooded," would you expect it to be dry? Or would you expect there to be water in it?If the water main broke and there is water gushing out but running directly down the drain, would you say the basement is "flooded" or would you say that "there's a river of water running through the basement"?Stop playing semantics.You are the one saying there was a flood. You are the one taking your cues from the Bible. Stop playing games and stick to a single story.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

riVeRraT writes:

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If there is 1/4" of water on a surface, it is covered.

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True.But if the water immediately runs off, then it isn't covered.Flood water needs to stick around.Stop playing word games.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Which has more pressure: A column of air weighing one metric ton in a column one square meter in cross section and one kilometer tall or a column of air weighing one metric ton in a column one square meter in cross section and ten kilometers tall?

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My hypothesis has a greater quantity of water in a greater volumn of atmosphere than is observed on earth today.

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I know. That's why I asked you that question.The pressure upon you at sea level is directly related to the weight of the column of air above you since gravity is pulling it down on top of you.If you add 10⁹ cubic miles of water to the atmosphere, won't that make the atmosphere weigh more? What on earth makes you think how much space it takes up has anything to do with it? Weight is a force. Force is (in an inertial frame of reference), mass times acceleration. Notice that nowhere in this do the physical dimensions of the object come into play. It's simply a matter of how much mass you have and how much it is being accelerated.A kilogram of mass accelerated to 1 g has the same weight no matter if it is a one centimeter cube or a one meter cube.If you suspend 10⁹ cubic miles of water in the atmosphere, you increase the pressure of atmosphere at sea level to the point that no land-dwelling creature could survive. Plus, in order to keep that much water in the air, you need to heat the air to the point that no land-dwelling creature could survive.If you're willing to turn the earth into a pressure cooker that would kill Noah in an instant, then you can have your "thick atmosphere" claim.

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In order for this to happen, likely there would need be an adjustment in gravity or something physiological

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You realize, then, that this would mean that the atmosphere would not be gravitationally bound to the earth and we would lose it, right? Thus, there could be no flood because there wouldn't be enough atmosphere to suspend the water in. There would be no moon as it flew off into space due to there not being enough gravitational pull to keep it in orbit.You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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something had to have happened providentially to cause the flood to happen and the vapor canopy to condense into rain.

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Look, if you're just going to invoke magic, then say so and be done with it. Stop trying to play physicist and pretend that there is a physical way to suspend 10⁹ cubic miles of water in the air and still have anything living on the planet.Besides, the Bible directly contradicts the "vapor canopy" claim. The water didn't come from anywhere on earth. It came from the firmament. God opens the windows of the firmament and the water pours down from heaven.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

When my basement floods, there is a river of water running through it until the hydrolic pressure in the mountain stops. Usually very soon after the rain stops, then my basement is dry again.I do not know what to call this other than a flood. You have another word for this?

Main Entry: 1flood
Pronunciation: 'fl&d
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English flOd; akin to Old High German fluot flood, Old English flOwan to flow
1 a : a rising and overflowing of a body of water especially onto normally dry land; also : a condition of overflowing b capitalized : a flood described in the Bible as covering the earth in the time of Noah
2 : the flowing in of the tide
3 : an overwhelming quantity or volume; also : a state of abundant flow or volume

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The rain I'm talking about is an over abundant flow.

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Originally posted by Rrhain

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Look, if you're just going to invoke magic, then say so and be done with it. Stop trying to play physicist and pretend that there is a physical way to suspend 109 cubic miles of water in the air and still have anything living on the planet.

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Is it time for another look at this? Thanks again to LAM, for making this image available.Amlodhi