Existence of Noah's Ark

Ding ding ding! and we have a winnAr!Ok folks, here it is. Rhains logic in full swing. This is why I won't even bother with you anymore rhain. Where the heck do you get pushing the oceans down from? How is that logical.
If I say its rain that would cause the flood, the water has to come from somewhere. The ocean. So if we displace all that water, we were talking about how much the oceans would drop.
Apparently some people think they would have to drop much more than they actually would. At least they understood what I was saying, and only confused about how much the level would go down.You on the other hand, with all your logic, think that I am saying that the oceans are pushed down. When cleary no-one else thinks that, and I never said that. Maybe your logical, but if you are then you must be just a nut case. How else would you describe how you came up with that?

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Ok folks, here it is. Rhains logic in full swing. This is why I won't even bother with you anymore rhain. Where the heck do you get pushing the oceans down from? How is that logical.
If I say its rain that would cause the flood, the water has to come from somewhere. The ocean. So if we displace all that water, we were talking about how much the oceans would drop.
Apparently some people think they would have to drop much more than they actually would. At least they understood what I was saying, and only confused about how much the level would go down.

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You on the other hand, with all your logic, think that I am saying that the oceans are pushed down. When cleary no-one else thinks that, and I never said that. Maybe your logical, but if you are then you must be just a nut case. How else would you describe how you came up with that?

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But the oceans would have to be pushed down to keep all that water covering the land.Take a bucket.Fill it with water from the ocean.What happens to the water level in the ocean?It drops by one bucketful, right?If you pour that bucket of water on to the dry land, what happens to the water?It runs back down to the ocean again, right?What you are saying is that you can take that bucket of water, pour it on to the dry land, but it somehow won't run back to the ocean. The only way you could get a drop in the ocean without the water flowing back to the ocean is if you could somehow push the ocean down. This is the logical implication of youtr own argument which I guess you haven't thought of.If there is a drought in an area where a lake is, and the water levels in the lake drop, what happens to the shoreline of the lake? We see more land, right?

Let's talk about the Great Flood of 1993 since that is the one that you picked. It certainly was a major event and can be used as an example of what we have been saying.First, the depth of 49.3 feet above flood stage is a reading in the levied channels. That is not the depth of flooding once the waters overflowed the levies and spread out. Second, it was one of the most extensive floods recorded and also one of the best documented.Look at this map from the USGS. It shows the actual extent of flooding during the 1993 Mississippi flood.As you can see, even though many, many areas were flooded, the vast majority of the ajoining land was not. Even in the floded areas, the depth outside the levie system seldom reached more than a few feet, and no where did it reach twenty feet. Check out these USGS photos of the flooding. In them you will see mobile homes almost covered. That indicates a depth of about ten feet or so.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, maybe you've been to the area where the ocean is 7 feet or less - it's called the fucking beach. It constitutes millions of square miles of submerged land.Jesus Christ. Right back at ya. Of course, if you were thinking at all, I wouldn't have had to point out that lowering the ocean uncovers more beach.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-29-2004 11:46 AM

But if that was true, RR, the Earth would be flooded right now.The reason that water goes back to the ocean is because the ocean is the lowest point. Water goes to the lowest point. How are you going to flood the world for 100 days without the water immediately running to the lowest point, i.e. the ocean? You think the water is just going to stick to the sides of mountains?

They wouldn't drop at all, because - like what happens now when it rains - the water runs back to the ocean.

RR needs to be clearer about what he is saying but I think it goes like this:When it rains very hard the water can not run off fast enough so there is some "back up" of water even on a slope.That isn't being answered directly enough.There is some back up of course but RR doesn't seem to be willing to say what happens when the 40 days of rain stops. Would the water stay on the slopes for a year???RiverRat, you lack of detailed thought in this is causing people to dismiss it with the same degree of hand waving you are doing.It should be obvious to you as it is to everyone else that this is wrong. While it is possible for the surface of a slope to have considerable water on it when large volumes are being dumped on it it can't last. In fact even while the rain is pouring down the water will run off the surface in streams and torrents not as some sort of smooth pseudoflood spread over the surface. It will be concentrated.
In addition, you haven't given a moments thought to what happens on day 41, 42 and so on of the flood. Without doing the calculations I'd suggest that within 24 hours all the steeper slopes would be effectively dry.If you want to say that the Bible is very wrong on this then you can start writing your own version of the flood. However, the ONLY source you have for your ideas is the Bible and if you are going to try to prove it WRONG you leave yourself in a funny spot.

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Originally posted by riVeRraT

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If it rained like I said it would, the ark would be washed out to sea.

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And what, then, would wash it back into the mountains of Ararat?

If the planet's surface were relatively level, having a relatively even crust overall, it would not take nearly as much water to flood the entire earth as it would today with high mountain ranges. Many, including myself believe that was what the pre-flood earth's surface was like, with no deep and large oceans or high mountain ranges. There were also likely thick and thin areas of earth's crust. Some thin areas may have had subterranian water under them, as the Bible implicates the breaking up of the subterranian water cavities by the flood. The Bible also implicates a terrarium like vapor canopy in the atmosphere which likely fell to earth during the flood. The weight of all the water on the relatively level earth crust would sink the thin crust areas and push up the mountain ranges, causing the earth's crust to look much different after the flood than what it appeared to be before the flood began.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

wow, you astound me.
I never said that, read it again. We covered all that already.

Yes I fully agree with your analysis of the facts.
However, that was an insignificant rainfall compared to the one I am proposing.If it rained 4" per hour for forty days, over the entire land mass (4" is a guess, it may take more) what would it look like then?I fully realize that once it stopped raining, with a day or so the waters would recede. Even though people here are follishly trying to point that out to me.This is why if this is the way the flood happened, Noahs ark would have came to rest in the sea somewhere. Or perhaps the bottom of the black sea. Who knows, thats a separate issue.Side note, is this webpage an indication that the ark may not be on the mountain, or the translation is messed up?
Just a moment...

You are wacked out. In your anger do you see your mistakes?
Can someone point it out to him?
The answer is in his own post and quote.I do not wish to talk to someone who has to curse at me to make a point.

If you read it correctly, I'm not saying it would be flooded for 100 days, only for the length of time it was raining.

This happens how fast?
Care to share with the group?

Why didn't a larger area get flooded?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion