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forgiven
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Message 46 of 52 (25696)
12-06-2002 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Karl
12-05-2002 8:07 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Karl:
quote:
i don't know... i honestly don't know... i understand the ramifications, believe me... it might destroy my faith... it would at the very least cause me to do some very deep soul searching
I was genuinely interested in this - why would it damage your faith to learn that God used natural processes to create the first life?

hi karl and Q... you both asked about my above so i'll answer here... God said he created man, God said he created animals "after their kind"... either he did or he didn't... if he did, abiogenesis is not the way life began on earth... if he did, a common ancestor can't account for the salamander and the horse fly... so john is mostly right in his reply above... when there are two diametrically opposed accounts of life on this planet, someone is either wrong or lying... God has spoken, man's wisdom will be shown to be folly... take care

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Karl
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Message 47 of 52 (25700)
12-06-2002 7:59 AM


Except He didn't say that. He told the earth and the seas and the skies to bring forth animals and fish and birds, each according to their kinds. Each time, it then says "so God created..." - it seems to me that "the earth/sea/sky 'bringing forth'" is equated with God creating. Or, to put it another way, as I have said several times, abiogenesis and evolution are the outworking of God's creative activity. I don't see a requirement in these verses that each "kind" is "brought forth" in a particular manner, and I do see a hint of abiogenesis. I do see a powerful and poetic statement affirming God to be the creator of all things.
That's why I have no problem with either abiogenesis or evolution.
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Message 48 of 52 (25706)
12-06-2002 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Karl
12-06-2002 7:59 AM


*applause* to Karl.

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Message 49 of 52 (25782)
12-06-2002 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Karl
12-06-2002 7:59 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Karl:
Except He didn't say that. He told the earth and the seas and the skies to bring forth animals and fish and birds, each according to their kinds. Each time, it then says "so God created..." - it seems to me that "the earth/sea/sky 'bringing forth'" is equated with God creating. Or, to put it another way, as I have said several times, abiogenesis and evolution are the outworking of God's creative activity. I don't see a requirement in these verses that each "kind" is "brought forth" in a particular manner, and I do see a hint of abiogenesis. I do see a powerful and poetic statement affirming God to be the creator of all things.
hi karl... i guess i'm curious as to what that means, to you... for example, does this
"20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky. 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind..."
mean (in your opinion) that the birds came from the same primordial soup as the sea creatures? or this
"24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds...."
to you does that also mean the land creatures came from the same soup? i'm just trying to get a take on your thoughts... finally,
"7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.."
in your opinion does that mean God may have created man in a way different from the way it's reported? thanks

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John
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Message 50 of 52 (25814)
12-07-2002 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by funkmasterfreaky
12-05-2002 6:54 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
I have found myself more drifting towards the foundations of my relationship with Jesus Christ.
Because of science? Or in ignorance of science?
quote:
Scientific discoveries have yet to shake my faith in that science is the interpertation of data, it's all very tenative.
More tentative than a belief system based on no evidence at all?
quote:
One major discovery could change everything.
What discovery would that be, funk? Make up a faith killer for me.
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BONES
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Message 51 of 52 (142493)
09-15-2004 6:42 AM


assuming the flood was real...
...wouldn't that flood make God a terrorist on a scale that makes Bin Laden look like a petty thug.
I mean did all those people have to be murdered ?????

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Message 52 of 52 (142636)
09-15-2004 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by BONES
09-15-2004 6:42 AM


T o p ic !!
post 46 through 51 are not on topic.
If that continues the thread will be closed and/or the more guilty posters will have a suspension.
added by edit
Actually this topic drifted away from the OP and died years ago. To prevent any futher stink of rotten topic it is closed.
This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 09-15-2004 09:30 PM

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