Orrorin tugenensis Femur - Additional Info on Transitional Fossil

Chimp-sized hominid walked upright on two legs
six million years ago. by Barbara Hale State
University, Public release date: 2-Sep-2004
Chimp-sized hominid walked upright on two leg | EurekAlert!"Recent fossil evidence suggests that a hominid, the size
of a chimp, walked upright on two legs in Kenya's Tugen
Hills, over 6 million years ago --- about 3 million years
earlier than "Lucy," the most famous early biped in
lineage."The paper is:Galik, K., Senut, B., Pickford, M. Gommery, D., Treil,
J., Kuperavage, A. J., and Eckhardt, R. B. 2004,
External and Internal Morphology of the BAR 1002'00
Orrorin tugenensis Femur. Science. vol. 305,
no. 5689, pp. 1450-1453 (3 September 2004)Yours,Bill

What about the chances of this 1 to 3 ratio to be a one and only?What's up with Lucy?

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Creationists, on the other hand, believe Lucy has been misinterpreted. They insist that Lucy was just another ape, and that her species was almost identical to the chimpanzees of today. Although they agree that Lucy may have walked upright now and then, they point out that modern chimpanzees are also capable of an occasional upright stroll. Creationists emphasize the ape-like features of Australopithecus afarensis. They feel there is little or no evidence that the species was a product of evolution.

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I found this at http://www.geocities.com/thenorthtower/lucypage.htmlThe website owner maintains that Lucy is a matter of opinion. Rather than a straight piece of evidence.These "hominids" look like indirect evidence, the 1 to 3 ratio looks edgy, could be argued as a type of monkey/chimp/orangatang, etc...This message has been edited by prophex, 09-02-2004 11:50 PM

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

No, in fact there are now over 20 examples of Australopithecus afarensis IIRC.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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No, in fact there are now over 20 examples of Australopithecus afarensis IIRC.

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about 300 separate individuals have been found since 1973.

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Maybe more?The evidence can be faulty though, considering modern Chimps.This message has been edited by prophex, 09-02-2004 11:52 PM

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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Is "Lucy" a hoaxe?

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Retracted, sorry tried to press preview but messed up!

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

Thank you for the link, Bill. It is very interesting. I am at a new college, and I haven't yet gotten back into the habit of walking to the library and looking over the latest issue of Science.I do have a question. From the article in the link: Is this really diagnostic of bipedalism?

I know I have previously bounced one of Bill topics from a debate forum to this forum, because the opening message was little or nothing more than a bare link(s) (albeit a fine link(s) I'm sure).I'm sure that is why Bill posted this topic to this forum.While message 1 was indeed a collection of links, it does include come commentary and/or quotes, and seems suitable and destined to be a debate topic (and debating in the L&I forum is discouraged).I'm going to move it to the "Human Origins" forum. Maybe I'll post a "What does and does not belong in the L&I forum? topic.Adminnemooseus

Thread moved here from the Links and Information forum.Please see previous message, about why this topic was moved.AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 09-03-2004 12:53 AM

this is the part of the bone between the ball and the thigh so that would indicate stress in one direction only while uniform thickness would indicate multiple directions.that would mean bipedal prefered vs up and down positions

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Interesting, thank you RAZD.And so, I gather, we would not expect any obligate quadraped to have this feature.Are hominids the only species with this feature? Do other "bipeds", like birds (do kangaroos count as bipeds?) have this feature, too?

this is just an assumption on my part looking at structure, don't know about other cases. Kangaroos might be interesting to look at.