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Author | Topic: FASCINATING CORROBORATION OF ALL BIBLE PROPHECY | |||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
a) The text of Jeremiah 52:12-13 is clear enough. It is also the reference given by your source. If you think that the plain reading is wrong and some other approach that gives a meaning more to your liking is correct you will have to justify such a claim.
As it stands Jeremiah 52:12-13 states that Nebuzaradan arrived on the 10th Av and that it is he who burnt the Temple. Obviously he could not burn the Temple before he arrived. The only reference givan by your source contradicts the claim. b) Of course I used a Hebrew calendar, although at this late date I don't remember the site where I found it. Let us note however that the mobilisation of Russia (unsurprisingly) preceded the Declaration of War by 3 days. There is no way that both could have occurred on 9th Av as your source claims. I also repeat my observation that in both cases there are other dates that could be declared significant.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
TO: Paulk
re: Solomon's Against the protest of some on this board I gave the professed skeptics a chance to due their due diligence in order to do high quality Biblical exegesis and/or commentary regarding my initial post. Given your above response it seems as if you did little historical research and thus did poor Biblical exegesis to see if anything very significant occured on the Ninth day of Av in regards to the destruction of Solomon's temple. Since you seem somewhat obstinate I will provide a hint to you. Please look at what the Jerusalem Talmud says about this matter. A reference to this is in Mr. Grants book. I also say that you did not examine the Biblical text itself very carefully and I saw two significant matters you never addressed. Please use a cross reference Bible. Also, please look at the Hebrew. You mistakes in regards to the Biblical text itself are glaring. But I will give you time to redeem yourself in this matter too. re: WWI and Ninth day of AV Lastly, I provided multiple sources regarding the Ninth Day of Av and WWI starting from multiple sources many of whom could reasonable be expected to competently understand the Jewish calendar. You merely have the assertion that somewhere on the internet there is a source which agrees with you. I suspect there are not many evcforum readers who are searching for that website! LOL TO: ALL Hopefully, Paulk will improve upon his Bible exegesis. I will certainly give him a chance to redeem himself should he wish to take my offer. If he does not when sufficient time allows I will provide some Bible exegesis for readers.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
TO: Jar
You wrote:
quote: Jar, here are some questions: Was the pathfinder landing Mars a earth shattering event for the USA? Was Richard Petty wining a race a earth shattering event for the USA? Was the Leaves of Grass being published a earth shattering event for the USA? Was John Adams Dying a earth shattering event for the USA? Was Thomas Jefferson dying a earth shattering event for the USA? Was Vicksburg surrendering a major event for the USA or would Gettysburg be a better example? Was the CIA being informed of Vietnam Coup Plot a super significant event or would the Tet offensive in this war much more significant? Also, would WWI or WWII perhaps be more significant wars for America? In summary, I see the events on the Jewish major holy days and the very major events that occured on them as being far more significant than what you provided above.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In summary, I see the events on the Jewish major holy days and the very major events that occured on them as being far more significant than what you provided above. You may think so but I certainly do not. Once again, sorry, no real evidence. You can find similar coincidences for almost any date. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
You wrote:
quote: My reply: Then do it!
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
You wrote:
quote: My reply: Then demonstrate this! You have not!
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Excuse me? That is exactly what I did using July 4th. Is there some other date that you'd prefer?
How about January 14th? Or May the 2nd? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I don't need to iumprove on my exegesis. One reference was given, I followed it and reported what I found. I need do no more.
If there are references that prove Jeremiah wrong then those should have been produced instead. If the Jerusalem Talmud is the REAL source of the claim that should have been referenced instead of Jeremiah. And at this stage to suppport your claim you have to prove Jeremiah wrong. If your source provides a reference - and it contradicts what they say then *I* don't need to do any more research. I don't need to go looking for other sources that MIGHT support them. If you want to do that then that's up to you - but it is no fault on my part. As for your "offer" to stop lying about me if I'll lie about the Bible for you, I reject it with the contempt it deserves.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: Paulk
You Bible exegesis not only missed the obvious but lacked historical research. Here is an excerpt from a website where some of the threads participants did real research (I am not talking about myself but to some of the people I responded to).
[quote] 2 Kings 25:8-9 claims that the First Temple was destroyed on the 7th of Av: "In the fifth month [Av], on the 7th day of the month ... Nebuzaradan, the captain of the bodyguard, a servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem. He burned the house of Yhwh ... " Jer. 52:12-14 claims that the First Temple was destroyed on the 10th of Av: "In the fifth month [Av], on the 10th day of the month ... Nebuzaradan, the captain of the bodyguard who served the king of Babylon, entered Jerusalem. He burned the house of Yhwh ... " MY REPLY Again I do not have my personal copy of Strong's with me. However, this time I highlighted the key word above. If memory serves, and it may not, the word translated "came" can mean "left for" also. So it could be that he left on the 7th and arrived on the 10th. I would also have the issue of whether there are variants and how many for the "7th" and "1Oth" and your "month" issue. Last, I would appreciate any scholarly sources you could give me regarding the commentary position you are taking. I would be especially interested in rabbinical commentaries since they would be more familar with the Jerusalem Talmud which says some soldiers started a fire on the 9th according to Grant. Grant speculates a fire started on the 9th and on the 10th the official decided to let it keep burning. I have seen some artist renditions of the Temple and some of them make it appear like it was a huge complex. I do not know how viable some of those artist renditions are. The Bible if I am not mistaken makes it appear as if Solomon's temple took over 7 years to complete. So perhaps a fire was started in one part of the complex and the official decided to accelerate the process by starting multiple fires. Another possibility is that a fire was started on the 9th by some drunken soldiers and it burned itself out. Then on the 10th the official started the fire again. I am not a ancient Jewish fire marshall and have no idea how combustible the temple complex would have been. TO: ALL I will write about this further since Paulk seems obstinate in terms of doing additional research or careful Bible exegesis.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: ALL
A variant refers to how many of the copies disagree with each other. By the way, to my knowledge their is no large ancient work with has less textual corruption than the Old Testament. The New Testament is absolutely remarkable. I cite:
quote: Another website provides the following information:
quote: Another website states: Another website states the following:
quote: THE FOLLOWING SOURCE PROVIDES INFORMATION REGARDING NEW TESTAMENT TEXT http://www.home.earthlink.net/~gbl111/historical.htm SUMMARY Copyist errors are rare but they do happen. I would need to look into the Solomon Bible verses further.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, there are even varying versions of the four Gospels. For example, there is Mark and the Secret Mark, two very different works. There is the Gospel of Thomas, the Book of Enoch, and literally dozens of different Gospels that are not included in all Cannon, yet are included in some canon.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
to: jar
Were there good reasons for some books being left out? Please open a new string. This is off topic.
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
Didn't Christopher Colombus set sail at or about 11:30 am, the 9th of Av? Did this have anything to do with Colombus' family who is thought to have been Conversos? Or did it have to do with his Jewish navigator was expelled from Spain due to Isabella and Ferdinand's fiat regarding the expulsion of all Jews?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I read one of Grant Jeffreys books once, where he "proved" that the world would end in the Fall of 2003.
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kendemyer Inactive Member |
I already addressed that Mr. Grant produced poor material.
I believe you are implying a logical fallacy which is:
quote: In short, just because one or more of Grant's books is bad does not mean they are all bad. For example, I could take your worst words and via these worse words I can say anthing you say is pointless. This of course, would not be fair.
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