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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Noooooooooo!!! But you did know who I was talking about, good.
quote: I just don't see the point of hounding buzsaw about this at all...
quote: I have given 3 examples of why the test was biased is previous (the first) thread disscusing it. No if the test wasn't biased we WOULD have been pegged in the middle, see it? "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Oh Goodie!
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Not directed just prophex.
Substance please. Adminnemooseus {Edit correction - Should have been "Not directed at just prophex". I am amazed that I managed to drop the "at". I stated such because people tend to get paranoid when my message is next after theirs, even if it is intended as a comment directed at a number of previous messages. Also note, I did NOT reply to a specific message.} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 09-01-2004 12:50 AM Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to Change in Moderation? or Thread Reopen Requests
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No if the test wasn't biased we WOULD have been pegged in the middle, see it? only if your views really are in the middle. I find a lot of conservatives (heck most people) think they are near the middle, usually because they are unaware of the people on the other extreme. here in west michigan I know I am not in the middle as a liberal. when I go back to Massachusetts, then I feel back in the middle again, while conservatives in MA feel like a fish out of water. remember too that a liberal in Mississippi is a conservative in Massachusetts. you may be more conservative than you think you are. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, no, I don't think it would be intrusive for you to take the survey as if you were me. I really don't see how anybody could be offended. It's like somebody filling out a Cosmo survey as if they were someone else. I wanted to see how accurate I could be, and I think I probably did pretty well where your views were concerned. It's not like you haven't been consistent over the years in stating your rather black and white views, buz. It would actually be interesting to see how your impression of my values and opinions match up against how I answered. Feel free to answer as I might answer and we can see where I land. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-31-2004 05:11 PM
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1265 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: LOL This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 08-31-2004 05:53 PM -porcelain
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Slight misunderstanding,
My brother seems to think "Not directed just prophex" means you are "dissing" me. I thought it meant, not directed just to me. He thinks it means directed just to me. What did you mean moose? "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I live in New York, The middle is where everyone strives to be isn't it? The middle is balanced. Not relativist.
"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
There are abuses, but that is hardly true of all companies. Of course, ANY time you have an organization, there is potential abuse or unethical actions. I have never claimed that such actions don't occur, or that they are proper. However, I will stand by my statement that most companies don't operate like that.
However, you are right in one regard, the oringal question does seem to pick out a bias of people if they favor a socialistic economy versus a capitalistic economy. The further we progress this debate, the clearer it becomes.
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
However, they didn't seperate them, they just mentioned companies. That was my issue with the wording. IF you want to ask about certain points, ask about them, but be clear.
As for income, the majority of income goes to costs (ie labor, buying parts, buying equipment, shipping, ect). Now, if you were to say that investors recieve the majority of the profit made by the company, you would be correct. Some would be assessed out for bonuses. Upper management incomes are still a buisness expense. However, on this issue, I agree with you. Boards of directors that are willing to overpay executives are foolish. However, corporations are privately held buisnesses, and if the owners, ie shareholders, wish to drive their buisness into the ground, so be it. Frankly, if I were a shareholder of Tyco, I would probably drag the manegement of Tyco into court for missappropraiting funds that should have either gone to buisness expansion or to the shareholders.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: And that is the purpose behind asking biased questions or using biased language. If you are a conservative you will bristle at the words "globalization" and a corporation's "duty to humanity". A liberal will probably say "damn right they should" and ignore the biased buzzwords that they themselves use. Even the authors of the survey pretty much admit that their survey asks biased questions, but in the long run that is what it is about, finding bias by using bias as bait.
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
I am just going to leave it as we disagree. I think the proposititions are unclear, and without detailed methodology for how various equations contribute to variuos scores, I shall remain skeptical. Its too hard for me to take seriuosly any statistic or survey without understanding the methodology and scoring behind them.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: I haven't taken it yet, but I don't expect it to be completely accurate. I am not making judgements, but I do find it interesting that conservatives have a tough time taking the survey for no other reason than the questions themselves. No one proposing that the survey is indicative of reality, at least from what I have read. I guess I will have to take the survey to save face.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I would disagree with the terminology of globalization. Ok, but like I said, your objections lack merit, since they're based on definitions of "globalization" that are less specific than how the term is used by economists.
However, last I checked, humanity is not some amporhus entity and neither are corporations. I don't recall where I said they were, or implied that. "Humanity" is the set of all humans. "Corporations" are corporations. I don't understand what you consider "amorphorus" about these words, or unclear in regards to their terminology.
The question you must then ask is where do you want to see the benefits of such trade. I want to see the benefits of trade for all humans ("humanity"), not simply benefits for the few and harm for many, many others.
However, I would also argue that modern corporations and industrialization also aid in the rapid production of cheap goods that can vastly help people, aka humanity, by meeting needs and services at a fraction the price it would without such buisness organizations. Assuming a currency-barter market is the economic system in play, yes. Corporations benefit those who have money. I don't think that's in dispute. But that's not "humanity". That's only some humans. Not everyone has money, and not every corporation or act of industrialization means cheaper goods. In many examples, goods become more expensive as a result of corporate control; for instance, the music industry.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
In order to push down prices, a lot of labor intensive jobs are outsourced to places with no worker protection so that in effect, slave or indentured servant like conditions are used to produce the goods and other people benefit from the workers not being paid a living wage. Right. People like Walmart because they cut labor costs and sell things at lower prices. The problem is, the people who work at Walmart don't make enough money to shop at Walmart. So, even if prices race to the bottom, they still don't race fast enough to keep up with the commensurate decline in wage.
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