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Author Topic:   The Time Problem With A Mythical Jesus
Jasonb
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Message 41 of 76 (138077)
08-30-2004 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by portmaster1000
08-29-2004 11:47 PM


Re: An Example
Perhaps to supplement your argument, you could provide an example of some myth being debunked
If I did that then I would spend the rest of my time in this thread defending my examples. And I am not really interested in doing that.

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Jasonb
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Message 43 of 76 (138080)
08-30-2004 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by jar
08-30-2004 11:16 AM


So many of the things you talk about and in particular, the issue of the first few centuries of the christian era, predate anything we would recognize as the Bible.
The p52 fragment is without question from the Gospel of John. Dating it to 125 AD puts the claims sometime before that. That pushes the claims very close to the events, not centuries after.
Simply take some time and read the Lives of the Saints and you will see example after example of such acts.
I am more interested in the claims made about Jesus and if 70 years is enough time for a legend to form.

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Jasonb
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Message 45 of 76 (138085)
08-30-2004 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Dan Carroll
08-30-2004 11:34 AM


With or without the ATF?
Hey man, I was at Ruby Ridge.
(This too could be very easily proven false.)

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Jasonb
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Message 47 of 76 (138100)
08-30-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by lfen
08-30-2004 11:37 AM


Because there are so very few non bibical mentions in support of a historic Jesus you are forced into this argument that basically that because Christianity survived it must be true. Would you make that claim of Islam?
I didn’t become a Christian because of the Bible. It was the other way around. I became a Christian and was compelled to read the Bible.
You can't check the facts, yet you are asking us to take the Gospels as fact simply because they weren't abandoned as false by early Christians?
That is really not my argument here. I really just want to explore the foundation of Christianity. Christianity had a beginning, a first flock, if you will. I want see if it makes sense that these people could be duped given the fact that what was being told to them, happened just a little while before, and right next door.
Your argument can not establish the accuracy of the gospels. That you are even making such a weak argument is testimony to the weakness of your evidence.
To this point there has not been much of an argument on the original point of this thread. I understand many doubt the dating of the scriptures. And we can debate that in other posts if you would like. What is my evidence that compels me to believe in Christ? Faith, not history.
Hebrews 1:11
quote:
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

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