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Author Topic:   What is a Liberal, and What is a Conservative?
joshua221 
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Message 31 of 254 (137964)
08-29-2004 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Coragyps
08-29-2004 10:26 PM


Although I think looking back that paranoia was nice considering what you could have said with justification, I believe that there is truth to what I said.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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RAZD
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Message 32 of 254 (137965)
08-29-2004 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NosyNed
08-29-2004 9:34 PM


Re: WWJD
I'll take a shot but only if deist is a category (huffs just a little)

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Message 33 of 254 (137966)
08-29-2004 10:55 PM
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08-29-2004 10:20 PM


Re: WWJD
jar puts jesus west of both of us, but you are the only one south and west of me so far. I might have to work on that ...

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Message 34 of 254 (137967)
08-29-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by joshua221
08-29-2004 10:20 PM


or what they were measuring was the level of authoritarian versus anarchic government rather than personal belief?
I know of many christians that are personally against abortion but support legal freedom for it, it seems only the christian righteous need to impose their view on others ...
that aside -- what is your take on what would jesus do on the test?
maybe that will sort out some of your concerns?
enjoy
(nice new avatar ... or should I say marvelous?)

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joshua221 
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Message 35 of 254 (137972)
08-29-2004 11:16 PM
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08-29-2004 11:00 PM


quote:
I know of many christians that are personally against abortion but support legal freedom for it, it seems only the christian righteous need to impose their view on others ...
Maybe the Righteous Christian doesn't exist, legal freedom would ensure judgement be put in God's hands not ours... Either way tho I dunno if God would intervene...
Without Personal Belief how would they get an idea of how far right, left you are?
I don't think Jesus would mess with such trivial testing, I think he is more worried about what happens after death than what you think about abortion.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. What ever he would do it would be perfect... This of course is jargon for the reply tho.
Yep MarvelOUS alright!

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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RAZD
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Message 36 of 254 (137976)
08-29-2004 11:31 PM
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08-29-2004 11:16 PM


WWJD
the question is posed in the light of the WWJD program, to think for yourself what his response would be.
Or are you afraid that he will turn out to be a liberal anarchist?

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NosyNed
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Message 37 of 254 (137977)
08-29-2004 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by RAZD
08-29-2004 10:51 PM


Catgories
ok,ok we add a category or more. Just so we don't end up with everyone in a separate category.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 254 (137983)
08-29-2004 11:51 PM
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08-29-2004 1:29 PM


What is a liberal and what is a Conservative?
These are relative terms, relative to what is being conserved or liberalized. In our nation a conservative is one who seeks to conserve the status quo of the founders which is freedom, and individual liberty and limited government power. The liberal would liberalize the status quo to a more socialistic and legal condition. The most ardent seekers are the most conservative. In Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc the conservative is the one conserving the status quo of Mohammed and the Quran. Thus the oppressive nature of the conservative in these nations. The liberal would liberalize those stringent laws to include more freedom and less government control.
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Message 39 of 254 (137985)
08-29-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
08-29-2004 11:51 PM


And the grid Buz?
Did you check out your grid position?
Do you agree with the one given for Jesus?

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Message 40 of 254 (137986)
08-29-2004 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by NosyNed
08-29-2004 11:34 PM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
ok, just kidding . you can put me down as non-christian
I get
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.28
for my jesus interpretation
okay, maybe you do want to keep a separate category ...

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Darwin Storm
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Message 41 of 254 (137990)
08-30-2004 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by RAZD
08-29-2004 11:56 PM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
I think the survey is a poorly limited (and fairly baised) political survey which really doesnt address the topic. But hey, most people like surveys, so who am I to complain.

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Chiroptera
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Message 42 of 254 (138002)
08-30-2004 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
08-29-2004 10:55 PM


Re: WWJD
Uh oh. I feel someone breathing down my neck....

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Chiroptera
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Message 43 of 254 (138004)
08-30-2004 1:07 AM
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08-30-2004 12:09 AM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
No, no, Darwin Storm. Ned is going to put all of this on a graph. That makes this whole exercise very scientific. And Ned, may suggest that you put it in one of those plastic report covers? That will make it really, really official.

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Darwin Storm
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Message 44 of 254 (138006)
08-30-2004 1:26 AM
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08-30-2004 1:07 AM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
LOL , well , just reminds me of the saying, "GIGO"

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RAZD
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Message 45 of 254 (138009)
08-30-2004 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Darwin Storm
08-30-2004 12:09 AM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
so you are saying that it will not provide any valid relative results? Seems to me you are complaining because either (1) you took the test and did not like the results (especially as you talk about the questions) or (2) are afraid of what the result will be.
Why don't you put your comment to the test and post your results AND what you think jesus would answer and when all the results are in then we can discuss this further?

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