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Author Topic:   What is a Liberal, and What is a Conservative?
Chiroptera
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Message 3 of 254 (137850)
08-29-2004 2:03 PM


Conservative - one who supports programs and policies that protect the privileges and power of the elite.
Liberal - a conservative with a conscience.

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Chiroptera
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Message 5 of 254 (137854)
08-29-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Darwin Storm
08-29-2004 2:13 PM


Labels are not entirely BS. Sometimes people do have definite ideological beliefs -- by this I mean a person just doesn't go down a list of policies and checks "yes" and "no", but actually have an underlying theory about the purposes and functions about society and base their decisions on this -- and will themselves accept a label themselves.
I do agree with your point that often there is no real meaning to the word "consrvative" or "liberal" other than a derogatory label to pin on your opponent. But that is why I asked this question in the other thread (my flippant answer here notwithstanding) -- to try to get people to think about what these words mean when they apply them.
As I've stated before, is seems that a lot of political discourse is just shouting slogans without really thinking about what, if anything, your slogan means. On the other hand, if we are really going to try to discuss social problems I think it does help to categorize the suggested solutions so as to try to figure out what the underlying assumptions are and to evaluate them.

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Chiroptera
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Message 8 of 254 (137861)
08-29-2004 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Asgara
08-29-2004 2:36 PM


Hmm. I ended up a little more to the left and down -- -8.00 on economic and -7.44 on social. Probably not surprising, since I consider myself an anarchist, but maybe it is surprising considering that the test questions seem to take capitalism for granted and seemed to ask only for the degree of control of corporations by the central state. No questions about cooperatives or collectivization.

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Chiroptera
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Message 18 of 254 (137926)
08-29-2004 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by RAZD
08-29-2004 7:11 PM


Re: WWJD
I used to be in the Christian right. About the time Reagan was running for president. I believed in a strong military defense, free market capitalism, and the like. Then I actually read the Gospels. That's when my doubts began.

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Chiroptera
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Message 28 of 254 (137958)
08-29-2004 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NosyNed
08-29-2004 9:34 PM


Re: WWJD
Okay, I'll repeat my scores:
-8.00 on economic and -7.44 on social
and add that I am atheist (in case you didn't catch it in the other threads).

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Chiroptera
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Message 42 of 254 (138002)
08-30-2004 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
08-29-2004 10:55 PM


Re: WWJD
Uh oh. I feel someone breathing down my neck....

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Chiroptera
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Message 43 of 254 (138004)
08-30-2004 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Darwin Storm
08-30-2004 12:09 AM


Re: WWJD according to Hoyle
No, no, Darwin Storm. Ned is going to put all of this on a graph. That makes this whole exercise very scientific. And Ned, may suggest that you put it in one of those plastic report covers? That will make it really, really official.

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Chiroptera
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Message 212 of 254 (139115)
09-02-2004 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by paisano
09-02-2004 9:33 AM


quote:
Are you suggesting a system in which all firms are operated on a break-even basis and run by workers?
Two words for you. Soviet Union.
I'm apologize for my ignorance, paisano, but which Soviet firms were run by their workers?

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