New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

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P.S. Why not just have the people vote either for or against gay marriage, and put it to rest, rather than have it forced upon the states, etc?

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P.S. Why not just have the people vote either for or against mixed race marriage, and put it to rest, rather than have it forced upon the states, etc?

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If you honestly meant all along that it's a bad thing to call anyone stupid,

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Yes,

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then you probably shouldn't have narrowed your focus to involve politics, in a thread about politics. People might get the crazy idea that your intent is to talk about politics.

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Yes,
I find that people that call the "other side" stupid is not a good way to have an intelligent discussion.

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peace

I am personally offended by mixed hair color marriages: do you have any idea what that looks like?Man.

Cool, a third statement.

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

It's like the trinity.People who vote for Bush
conservatives
all peopleI'm sorry if you don't have the same convictions

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Apples, fruits, food! All the same, in MessanjaH's world... And I'm sorry you have this addiction to conversational masturbation. Dude, your weaseling was successful. Why do you keep harping on?

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

I was wondering the same thing about you.
I'll let you get the last word.

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...he says as he takes a parting shot.Well... really more of a "I know you are, but what am I?" But you get my drift.

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer raised the question of whether the governing documents of the Constitution fit with the governing documents of other nations, etc...P.S. He was not appointed to question the if, our Constitution fit with the governing documents of other nations. It will be a bumpy ride, if Conservative Supreme Court Justices are nominated via George Bush, which of course is the reason Kerrys senior senator from Boston Ted Kennedy filibusters any threats to be supreme court nominees, cause that would affect the refitting of our constitution with other Nations governing documents.If you value your freedoms, you better vote all the democrats out of office, cause either your for our constitution, or your against it, its called globalism, and Kerry is their man.When you vote your have two choices, its about Patriotism GWB (Our Constitution) or Globalism JFK (the refitting of our constitution to conform to World Law),and the putting of our soldiers under foriegn command, bound by UN laws and not US law within UN led colitions, this would be making World law soverign over US law, in respect to soldiers trapped under Foreign command.If you don't value patriotism, and our Constitution, then perhaps you would rather move to Saudia Arabia, China, Russia, to countries that don't care for the land of the free and the home of the brave, etc...Just a moment...Globalizing the ‘Supreme Law of the Land’?By Christopher ArmstrongIn a rare television interview on ABC’s Sunday morning public affairs show "This Week," Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer commented in July that "[t]hrough commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."Figuring out whether the U.S. Constitution "fits into the governing documents of other nations" is a challenge of the next generation? James Madison must be turning over in his grave.This message has been edited by whatever, 08-27-2004 10:26 PM

Did Breyer say that those documents would overrule the constitution? Or was he looking at others to see if they just happened to correlate with the constitution? Have you read his opinion or only your fascist-leaning weird world view websites?Regardless of whether Kerry was "self serving" or not the truth is that he volunteered for dangerous duty and went in to the line of fire, a fact backed up by objective evidence that cannot be challenged by lies and changing opinions 40 years later. EVEN BUSH says he believe Kerry.Meanwhile Bush was extremely "self serving" in a cushy state-side pseudo service spending more time at parties than in uniform AND COULDN'T EVEN GET THAT JOB DONE!While in office he has made the biggest assult on the constitution in it's history with the "patriot" act, a new name for McCarthyism, but the same old behavior, this time ensconsed in an unconstitutional law, as it violates rights the constitution guarantees. This isn't a claim like yours, but a fact in black and white.But hey, prove me wrong eh?lots a luck.

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This latest spy case may well work its way straight to Donald Rumsfeld and the faulty intellegence that preceeded the Iraq War. Be sure and connect the dots leading to Douglas Feith.This message has been edited by jar, 08-28-2004 12:20 AM

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This is all very interesting, but I'm still fascinated by some comments you made earlier. Could you answer a few questions about a couple of comments you made (which I put in quote tags)?

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The U.N. Charter declares that all human rights are derived from the U.N.

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Where does it say that?-

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Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence declare that all human rights are God-given and that no man or government can abridge them.

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Where does the U.S. Constitution say that?

Well...This'll sound weird, but I actually agree with Whatever on this. I think when Kerry volunteered for Swift Boat service, it was because he felt that it was relatively safe duty, which it was before their mission changed.Kerry has a lot to be proud of, and he certainly substantiated his courage a number of times in the commission of his duty, but I don't believe he's an idiot. And only an idiot goes to way looking for trouble.Kerry has courage; it's undeniable that when lives were on the line, he gave no thought to his own safety to protect others. But even I would have trouble believing that a 20-or-so-year-old guy just out of Yale goes to war looking to get shot, you know? There's courage, and then there's recklessness; I see soldiers in Iraq dive for cover when insurgents start shooting - does that mean they're cowards too?What he didn't do, of course, was shirk his duty when it got hairier than he probably thought it would be, or be so terrified of the possibility of being shot at that he pulled strings to land cushy stateside duty, like Bush, who couldn't even follow through.

the fact is he volunteered for active duty in a war zone"As he was graduating from Yale, John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam"then he volunteered for the swift boat duty:"John Kerry served two tours of duty. On his second tour, he volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat in the river deltas, one of the most dangerous assignments of the war"Now I may be crazy but I don't think that volunteering to be in a little 4/5 man boat is thinking it is going to be safer than one of the big navy boats, regardless of where that boat is going, especially as the way that boat is outfitted it is obvious it is not meant for supply runs.Serving for active duty, for dangerous active duty, is in the best traditions of the founding fathers to take up arms to defend the country regardless of how anyone paints the picture.To me there were two honorable paths one could take during the vietnam war: (1) serve in the armed services in the war and (2) object to the war on moral grounds or on the grounds that the war was the wrong thing to do. Any thing else is waffling. I also think that history has shown that both (1) and (2) were correct, but that is a different issue.Shrubby did neither, he took a cope-out ticket to playtime, and still didn't do his time.That anyone thinks he is a hero to me is sad. One college kid in one protest up against lines of police with sticks, dogs and tear gas had more courage than was shown by shrub (and one by one they had the courage to try to change their country, and they succeeded). One young kid in a war zone that goes into battle, ducking and dodging for cover as needed, had more courage than was shown by shrub. If he is a hero it is a worthless standard, for well over half of american youth of the time did better.I honor both sides for having the courage to act on their convictions rather than be convicted by their lack of action.That's my take on it, I could be wrong, but that is what I believe the values of america and the constitution mean.Enjoy.

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That's true, and he did specifically volunteer for duty [i]in-country and not just in-theater. I suppose if he'd wanted safe Naval duty, he could have been on an aircraft carrier - it's not like the Viet Cong was floating these big battle groups, right?Nonetheless, I don't think it's right to picture Kerry with a knife in his teeth volunteering for Rambo stunts. In fact I'd trust him a lot less if that's what he had done.Like reasonable people, I think he sought a way to serve his country, doing something useful without volunteering for a suicide mission. I don't think it's any less honorable than any other kind of service, and when the mission parameters changed into something more dangerous, Kerry distiguished himself beyond a doubt.He's a man of courage, but not a man of reckless disregard for safety. Isn't that the most reasonable position for a person of principle to take?