New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

Dan, George is actually trying to get an congressional amendment to prevent gay marriages, It appears it will be a slow process, getting through congress, the problem appear's it was against US law, but the Supreme Court raised the bar when it ruled in favor of world law, in a Texas sodomy case, etc...P.S. What wrong with American law is that its starting to align with World law, and thats high treason, however, I don't see Congress slapping the Supreme Court over this travisty of not basing law on the US constitution and our law in regards to the sodomy issues, etc...There is no basis to allow world law to govern Supreme court decisions, and their doing so makes them too guilty of treason, cause its fighting the will of the people, by the will of judges forcing their will on the people, etc... The reason we have Congress is to decide issues for the making of new laws, not the Supreme Court to take on the responsibility of the making of new laws, cause of World law contradictions, etc...

And the U.S. isn't going to be a superpower forever -- nothing lasts forever. It'll be interesting, when the U.S. is just another minor country in the world, hear the whatevers and paisanos squealing about how evil and awful the new super power is when it is riding roughshod over U.S. interests.

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What wrong with American law is that its starting to align with World law, and thats high treason, however....

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You don't seem to understand what treason is, whatever. Did you know the Constitution defines treason? How is this treason?"World law" includes the Geneva conventions. If the U.S. follows the Geneva Conventions during wartime, is that high treason, also?

Yes, I'm aware. That's not what I asked you.I asked you what marriages were in danger of being desanctified, and how did Georgie protect them? So you do feel the government should be able to decide who has sex with who?How does this jive with you wanting the government to empower its citizens? Seems like a big ol' contradiction from where I'm sitting. Okay, I have to hear the justification for this one.How is having laws similar to other countries treason? When did this happen? It wasn't the Texas case. That was struck down because of direct conflicts with the US Constitution.Whatever, do you put any research into things whatsoever before you comment on them? The Supreme Court has never made a new law. They just strike down unconstitutional ones. That's their job.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-27-2004 11:21 AM

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

Chiroptera, You miss the point, the supreme court is suppose to base decisions on US law, not World law, its up to congress to make new laws, cause we the people voted for them to represent us, not to bypass the process and craft new laws not based on the will of the people, etc...P.S. Why not just have the people vote either for or against gay marriage, and put it to rest, rather than have it forced upon the states, etc...The last thing we need is a globalist that is a demcrat that is a lawyer serving as commander and chief, etc...He would nominate liberal supreme court justices, and federal judges that would continue in this travisty of basing US law off World Laws, etc...These other countries have not the freedoms we possess, you really have no choice but to vote the democrats out of office, they have no interest in American Sovrienty, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 08-27-2004 11:29 AM

Maybe that's why the Bush administration has a policy of torturing POWs.

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

The same reason we didn't vote on interracial marriage, but instead let the Supreme Court decide, as guided by the Constitution.Don't like it? Get the Constitution changed. That's your right as an American. Until it is changed, abide by it.

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

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You miss the point....

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No, the point is you make strange statements of questionable veracity, you ignore people's questions, and you show no signs of actually understanding the issues which you are discussing. Your thougt processes are very muddled, and you seem to have a high degree of paranoia.-

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the supreme court is suppose to base decisions on US law, not World law,

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All treaties and international agreements signed by the President and ratified by the Senate are, according to the U.S. Constitution, for all intents and purposes, U.S. law.Now, what "World law" are you talking about in regards to gay marriage? The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled various sodomy laws as unconstitutional. Since the U.S. Constitution is the highest law in the U.S. this sounds like what the Supreme Court is supposed to do.-

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Why not just have the people vote either for or against gay marriage, and put it to rest, rather than have it forced upon the states,

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This is exactly where it is happening. All the states that have allowed gay marriages or civil unions have done so either because of laws passed by those state legislatures, or because those state's courts have ruled that such bans violated the state constititutions. So far, the U.S. Supreme Court has had nothing to say about gay marriage.What are the odds that you will actually address these points rather than just repeat what you have already said, or move on to a new topic? In fact, I thought the original topic was Kerry's suitability as President. What does gay marriage and sodomy laws have to do with Kerry, anyway?Oh yeah. Kerry is a traitor because he is a puppet to a shadowy cabal in the U.N. intent on taking over the U.S. Under orders from his U.N./Chinese masters, Kerry is going to make everyone marry a homosexual. Is that about it?

Dan, The last thing our nations needs is for Kerry a globalist, to start nominating supreme court justices that feel they need to conform US law to World Law, etc...This is high treason, as was the Texas Sodomy decision, etc...Just a moment...In the recent case invalidating Texas’ sodomy law, Lawrence v. Texas, Justice Anthony Kennedy referenced both the European Court of Human Rights and the British Parliament in his majority decision.

We could all just have fun in the same way!Ahem...I don't see how anyone can vote for Bush, given that he fists kittens on the White House lawn, foaming at the mouth, dressed in nothing but a tiara, screaming, "WELCOME TO MY FABULOUS PUPPET SHOW!"Sure, I pulled this squarely out of my ass. But I see no reason I shouldn't continue to repeat it ad nauseum as a valid point against Bush.

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

Once more, Whatever... the Supmreme Court has no control whatsoever over what laws get passed. Only what laws get struck down. And even then, they're bound by the US Constitution.If you have an example where the Supreme Court has struck down a law that was valid, please explain your reasoning. Spouting about globalism doesn't qualify. Read the Constitution's definition of treason. Read the Texas sodomy court decision.As it stands, it would seem that you've read neither. Some context?You've referenced the Communist government of China over the course of this thread. Out of context, saying that sure sounds like you're basing your decisions on it.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-27-2004 12:08 PM

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"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

like the republicans in general and neocons in specific don't?the difference is that the democrates are intersted in equality while the neocons are interested in bringing back slave work under the disguise of removal of all workers rights and minimum wages and rewarding big money (themselves) with more control, power and money ... and they don't care if you voted for them or not.they don't care about you, HELLO!!!

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Do you have any idea of how many things are wrong with this whole concept? Let me list a few:(1) If it is not now against the constitution, then it is currently a right that people have, regardless of whether they are gay, straight, monosexual, polygamous or whatever.(2) Absent any demonstration that it is harmful to anyone else in society there is no valid secular reason to restrict it, especially if that very behavior is (a) allowed others (the reason the texas law was unconstitutional btw) and (b) is currently observed in practical fact, without need of restriction (people aren't going to jail in hoardes for this lifestyle).(3) Civilization is about increased recognition of rights of individuals in their pursuit of happiness (remember that inalienable right?) and such an amendment would contravene that by suppressing rights of one group in favour of another for no apparent purpose other that bias and bigotry.(4) If the reason for the amendment is that marriage is a religious contract rather than a secular one, then it cannot be covered by any law or amendment as that contravenes the separation of church and state.Now, George is pragmatic enough (and venal enough) to know that there is no possibility in the universe of getting such an amendment passed, so what does his support amount to? Pandering to a religious faction solely for the purpose of getting reelected: looks like the shill song is working on you. You’re out of the water and gasping for air, but you are still trying to swallow that hook further and further while he reels you in. Hope you don’t end up in the frying pan.Personally I think that (4) is more valid than any other and that as a result all laws and legislation applying to marriage are unconstitutional, but hey, that would be my "social agenda" ... but it may be realized by attempting to do what you want and then going to the Supreme Court. Be careful of what you wish for.Enjoy.

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George is actually trying to get an congressional amendment to prevent gay marriages,

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Since you have stated that this should be up to the states to decide, then you disaprove of Bush's amendment, right?

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As a direct result? Saddam Hussein. Osama bin Laden. The Taliban.

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Noriega, The Shah of Iran, The Pakistani dictatorship, etc...