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Dan Carroll
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Message 286 of 612 (137185)
08-26-2004 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 6:20 PM


The globalist like Clinton and Kerry have taken treason to the highest level
There you go, taking unpatriotic shots at the highest office in the land. Don't you care that our enemies will see you disparaging former Presidents? How can you offer our enemies aid and comfort like that?
Traitor.

"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

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Dan Carroll
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Message 287 of 612 (137186)
08-26-2004 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Trump won
08-26-2004 6:21 PM


Re: right on.
I didn't redefine what I said. I said people who call Bush supporters stupid isn't right. I then said calling people stupid isn't right.
And these are, of course, two completely different statements. Just as saying that apples are disgusting is different than saying that all food is disgusting.
Weasel.
If you honestly meant all along that it's a bad thing to call anyone stupid, then you probably shouldn't have narrowed your focus to involve politics, in a thread about politics. People might get the crazy idea that your intent is to talk about politics.
Go figure.

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Message 288 of 612 (137191)
08-26-2004 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Dan Carroll
08-26-2004 6:15 PM


I apparently double posted, sorry, but no Micheal New is not a traitor, Clinton by not standing up for us and ours is the traitor(the constitution), etc...Michael New enlisted to be a Patriot for America, our constitution, our country, not to serve in the United Nations global army, under foriegn commanders, to risk life and limb for their agenda's, to protect them and theirs and not us and ours, etc...
P.S. Get over it Kerry is an example of a traitor(for all the reason I previously stated), the reason the Vets are so outraged, they see the writing on the wall, the contradictions of Kerry, the globalist agenda's Kerry supported and will continue to support against the well being of us and ours, etc...

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Chiroptera
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Message 289 of 612 (137192)
08-26-2004 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 6:41 PM


(Oh, this is going to be good!)
quote:
Clinton by not standing up for us and ours is the traitor(the constitution)
Have you read the Constitution? What exactly makes Clinton a traitor?
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not to serve in the United Nations global army
What global army does the United Nations have? Do you realize that the units serving under the United Nations are borrowed from the member nations national armies? And these nations can recall their units at any time?
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to risk life and limb for their agenda's
(This is where it is going to get good.) And what is their agenda?

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johnfolton 
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Message 290 of 612 (137195)
08-26-2004 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Chiroptera
08-26-2004 6:46 PM


The American constitution protects freedom of religious expression, the UN forces one to acknowledge all rights are derived by the UN constitution, and not the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence states that all human rights are God given and no government can abridge them, etc...
P.S. Clinton and Kerry are globalist, one can only vote dem bums out, cause they care not for us and ours, Michael when enlisting took an oath to protect the US constitution, us and ours, but not them and theirs, Michael New even said he had no problem fullfilling his oath by being relocated under american command, he was denied, because he refused to wear the UN blue uniform and pledge alligiance to a foriegn constitution, etc...
http://www.otherside.net/newhero.htm
New's home school study had lead him to believe that serving under the U.N. Charter was not compatible with his military oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution. The U.N. Charter declares that all human rights are derived from the U.N. Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence declare that all human rights are God-given and that no man or government can abridge them.
Specialist New volunteered for service in the Army and was never told that service under U.N. rather than U.S. command was a possibility. New has stated emphatically, "I am not a U.N. soldier...If an American soldier who took an oath voluntarily to defend the Constitution of the United States can be forced to serve another power or army, furthering an internationalist agenda and documents alien to American Constitutional principles, then that American is not truly a free man...I'll stand on the Constitution and let others defend the U.N. Charter."
American soldiers under U.N. command do not enjoy the rights, privileges or legal status and protection under the Geneva Conventions for prisoners of war. Former Vietnam POW, Red McDaniel said, "U.S. law provides no specific guidance concerning U.S. military involvement in conflicts while under U.N. command. Thus, under the present state of U.S. and international law, the U.S. Government has no way to protect its military personnel captured during U.N. operations from physical and mental torture, inhumane treatment, incarceration, and even execution."
New has repeatedly offered to accept orders anywhere in the world as long as it is in an American uniform under the command of the U.S. military. The Army has refused . New may well face the "fiery furnace" for his steadfast refusal to submit himself to a foreign authority.
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Chiroptera
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Message 291 of 612 (137197)
08-26-2004 7:24 PM
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08-26-2004 7:02 PM


quote:
The U.N. Charter declares that all human rights are derived from the U.N.
Where does it say that?
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quote:
Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence declare that all human rights are God-given and that no man or government can abridge them.
Where does the U.S. Constitution say that?
At any rate, what does this have to do with either Kerry or Clinton?

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Message 292 of 612 (137212)
08-26-2004 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Chiroptera
08-26-2004 7:24 PM


Chiroptera, Clinton was a globalists, responsible for the globalists agenda, you tell me how sending our buisnesses to China is not a globalists agenda, try to find a job that one gets a living wage, etc...Remember that Kerry was Clintons point man in the outsourcing of hardened satellight nucleur chip technologies to China, and as such has shown he simply is not fit for command, presently Kerry is attacking Donald Rumsfeld, cause he doesn't factor into the globalist plans, etc...You'd think Kerry if he wants to be portrayed as a hero, wouldn't attack one of our own, but thats what Kerry does, cause he isn't for us and ours, but for aiding them and theirs, its the globalist within Kerry, the contradiction Kerry has with the Catholic Church, with the Vets, the pragmatist that sides with all sides, except on the side of Americans, voting to raise taxes, cut intelligence, and say he has the answers, cause to him he does, its called globalisms, etc...
P.S. Its also called breaking the bank, GWB is the best man to lead america into the future, however, personally think were moving toward judgment, did you ever think it strange how democrats hate big buisness, responsible for the sending our buisness packing through Clintons free trade treaties(if I was a buisness why would I not leave if I too could sell inflated prices back to US citizens, etc...), however, its likely their hatred of the whore that will eventually make the ten horns upon the beast to fullfill and make the whore desolate, naked, eat her flesh and burn her, though the Word says were to rejoice in her burning, for God has avenged you on her, etc...
P.S. If George W Bush is not elected it all might happen sooner rather than later, thats just my take on it all, the globalists have their agenda, they own the media, the presses, though you have to respect GWB for at least trying to protect the Whore, because he's doing it in the name of patriotism, and not globalisms, so God likely has given us a reprive, for how long, only God knows, but his will, will be fullfilled, etc...

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RAZD
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Message 293 of 612 (137221)
08-26-2004 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Chiroptera
08-26-2004 5:30 PM


it seems that for {whatever} only neocon jingoists are patriots, and everyone else is a traitor.
and if that is his usage, then yes, I am a "traitor" to that image, because my patriotism is to the US of the constitution and the declaration of independence and the ideal values of liberty, truth, justice, equality and freedom.
shocking eh?

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Message 294 of 612 (137224)
08-26-2004 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 6:06 PM


Re: Clinton and Kerry are examples of Benedict Arnolds
as I said before, your {militia \ survivalist} paranoia is showing ...
the line at the bottom of that jingo-jango article says:
The Other Side of the News is a column SOOOO CONSERVATIVE we make Rush Limbaugh look like a flaming liberal. Newspapers won't carry this column so we went to the net to get the word out.
They brag about it.
Now there is a source of unbiased evaluation of the truth ... sheesh.

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RAZD
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Message 295 of 612 (137227)
08-26-2004 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Trump won
08-26-2004 6:21 PM


Re: right on. far right?
when people shown they have done something that an average intelligence should be adequate to avoid, what do you call that behavior?
when all evidence shows that it was a mistake and they stand by the action and will do it again given the opportunity, what do you call that?
the inability of bush supporters to recognize the any of the evidence that this administration has made so many mistakes and bad decisions that they are the most incompetent administration in US history means that they must be incapable of seeing that evidence: that can only be due to stupidity, insanity or maliciousness (once ignorance has been ruled out).
which one would you prefer?

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RAZD
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Message 296 of 612 (137232)
08-26-2004 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 7:02 PM


correction #42
whatever writes:
Declaration of Independence states that all human rights are God given and no government can abridge them ...
False. The declaration says:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness .--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are the only unalienable rights listed.
Other rights are listed in the Constitution, and there is no reference to "God given" in that document that I can find.
Last time I looked "certain unalienable" certainly did not mean "all" ... and it is not the law of the land the way the constitution is: it is a statement of values of purpose, of intent. People who think they are patriots would do well to study these documents in better detail than is evident from your post.

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Chiroptera
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Message 297 of 612 (137234)
08-26-2004 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 9:25 PM


No, no, whatever. I asked some specific questions. You didn't answer them. I will repeat my post; the quotes are from a previous post of yours.
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quote:
The U.N. Charter declares that all human rights are derived from the U.N.
Where does it say that?
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quote:
Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence declare that all human rights are God-given and that no man or government can abridge them.
Where does the U.S. Constitution say that?
At any rate, what does this have to do with either Kerry or Clinton?

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Message 298 of 612 (137255)
08-26-2004 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Trump won
08-26-2004 1:36 PM


quote:
I'm pretty sure technologies for alternative energy's are being developed.
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The Bush budget continues the pattern of chronically under funding alternative energy investments and development. Funding for science programs and energy conservation programs at DOE are both reduced by one percent. The administration continues to ignore the deteriorating conditions in our national labs-submitting a request that reduces infrastructure funding by 46 percent. These labs are at the heart of our energy research enterprise. Energy supply research programs-programs designed to develop alternatives to petroleum and coal-based energy generation-are barely up by one percent. Fuel cell funding, while increased slightly, is no where near as comprehensive as what I have proposed or what was included in the energy bill, which is bogged down because of the many other controversial provisions that were attached. This is not even close to being a path towards energy independence.

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Message 299 of 612 (137276)
08-27-2004 1:11 AM
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08-26-2004 9:58 PM


Razd, You seem to be more supportive of the democratic party, its too bad the candidate for your party just happens to be a globalists, and a traitor, not all democrats are traitors, like the Vets against Kerry that vote for democrats, if they are the best candidate, like John O'Neil who isn't a republican, likely your caught in the quandry, like I was when the republican party chose Dole over Pat Buchanan.
P.S. If you believe in the constitution keep fighting the fight to keep our freedoms, this is something the Vets for Bush are concerned with too, and some like you are democrats fighting globalisms, yet I too believe in the democrats pressing for affordable health insurance, protecting social security, what you have to watch is the globalists that are pretending to be democrats, because they are the ones that let the pharmacy companies to be exempt from free trade pricing, the very reason health care is too high, is cause its considered illegal to buy our drugs from Canada at half the costs they are sold to Americans, etc...
However, being I'm not really an republican, or a democrat, I'm voting for the republican party cause George is against Gay marriage, however, the vice president is for it, but I'm voting for George, cause he is the man, etc... I want to give him a supporting Senate, cause of the democrats abuse of filibuster powers, because he's the man, etc...

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johnfolton 
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Message 300 of 612 (137283)
08-27-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by nator
08-26-2004 11:52 PM


Hydrogen on demand patent
schrafinator, People like Razd and others appear to be a bit into the sciences, why don't you just quit crying about polluting the air and just build this hydrogen generator, (just kidding) think Stanley Meyer has the source patent, I can't understand why it wouldn't work, because I'm not no scientists, but it looks to a layman like me, like all you need is a fair amount of GB weld, that says on the package that doesn't conduct electicity to hold the two stainless electrodes approximately 1 to 2 mls apart in place after sodering the two wires to the electrodes, and JB welding to the end cap, sealed within a 4 inch PCV plumbing pipe, get a level switch, pressure relief valve, build it in the pcv cylinder, and build the electric control board using a 250 khz harmonic pulse generator, with the diode to complete the circuit, with a potentionmeter that would change the voltage by 4 volts off throttle response, to make it all happen on demand, it sounds like something someone with a bit of scientific knowledge could build in your sleep, though appears you would need to buy an occiloscope to adjust pulse waves, and pray one does not blow oneself up, and build a bullet proof case, and a anti-flame spark arrestor so it doesn't flash back to the hydrogen within the reactor chamber generating hydrogen, etc...
P.S. The energy solution might well be this simple, it sure makes a lot of sense to make hydrogen on demand (as needed), perhaps it just sounds too good, the thought is harmonic pulses around 250 khz (whatever that is) will catalyze the production of Hydrogen, more than electricty alone ever could, with lower voltage too, etc... so one wouldn't need hydrogen filling stations, for the hydrogen cars contemplated by hydrogen being derived by coal, etc...
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/waterfuel.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/stanleymeyer.htm
P.S. I just though Razd, and others would enjoy this site, not sure if its possible, but one of those sites thats just too good, to not share, in respect to alternative energy, even though its a bit off topic, though both parties (democrats and republicans) say they are for alternative energies, so I give you your energy solution, unless you can burst my bubble that its not feasible, etc...
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