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crashfrog
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Message 226 of 612 (137002)
08-26-2004 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 2:17 AM


Re: John Kerry / Benedict Arnold !!!!
When Clinton and Kerry gave our hardened chip satellight technology to china, he aided the enemy to our interests, etc...
How is China the enemy?
They have "most favored nation" trade status. That's hardly something you give to your "enemy."

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Chiroptera
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Message 227 of 612 (137003)
08-26-2004 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by crashfrog
08-26-2004 10:59 AM


Re: John Kerry / Benedict Arnold !!!!
And if I recall correctly, it was the Republicans in Congress during the Clinton administration that led the fight to grant China most favored nation status.
Besides the anti-sweatshop activists, the only people who opposed most favored nation status for China were a few hardline anti-communists who didn't seem to realize the Cold War was over.

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crashfrog
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Message 228 of 612 (137006)
08-26-2004 11:09 AM
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08-26-2004 11:05 AM


Besides the anti-sweatshop activists, the only people who opposed most favored nation status for China were a few hardline anti-communists who didn't seem to realize the Cold War was over.
Personally, I'm all for it. Nations don't go to war when they're busy making money off each other.
The human rights stuff is troubling, but the presence of American money means the presence of American culture, like the media and stuff. So we have a better chance of finding out about it when China is a trading partner than if China remains the Mysterious Orient, closed to the West.
Globalism prevents wars. Isn't that a good thing?

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Message 229 of 612 (137015)
08-26-2004 11:46 AM
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08-26-2004 11:09 AM


John Kerry / Benedict Arnold
Crash, No, You need to realize that Clinton and Kerry are globalists, and as such are traitors to American laws in respect to our Soverienty, and gifting our nucleur hardened satellight technologies to china, and as such should of been tried for treason, Kerry who is present applying for commander and chief is liken to Benedict Arnold, though its questionable that Kerry is the American hero that was Arnold was, he has proven to have no problem with his answers being globalisms, and not americanisms, etc...Why was Kerry absent from the Senate, likely to him the answers in his mind lies within globalism, and not patriotism.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2003/aug03/03-08-13.shtml
P.S. My friends son, is caught up in the patriotism to serve for ones country, I told him to wait until the election, cause if Kerry is elected Patriotism will end in favor of globalism, etc...
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Dan Carroll
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Message 230 of 612 (137016)
08-26-2004 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 11:46 AM


Re: John Kerry / Benedict Arnold
nucleur
Does this horrify anyone else?

"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

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crashfrog
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Message 231 of 612 (137019)
08-26-2004 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 11:46 AM


No, You need to realize that Clinton and Kerry are globalists, and as such are traitors to American laws in respect to our Soverienty
"Soverienty" doesn't mean giving other nations the big "fuck you" just because we can, like you'd have us do.
I don't see that the recognition that we live in a community of nations is a violation of our sovereignty.
gifting our nucleur hardened satellight technologies to china, and as such should of been tried for treason
That, by definition, is not a treasonous act, because China isn't an enemy.
Why was Kerry absent from the Senate
Because he's running for President. Or maybe you weren't aware?

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RAZD
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Message 232 of 612 (137039)
08-26-2004 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 2:17 AM


Re: John Kerry no Benedict Arnold !!!!
No I don't. What you miss totally is the point JAR has been trying to make: if Kerry was a "traitor" and Bush is in charge of prosecuting "traitors" then why has no action been taken ... there has not even been a charge filed by the Attorney General, who I am sure would be delighted to have some real business to do.
If you want to talk about "traitors" you also need to address the issue of "deserters"
see http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm#_HOUSTON,_YOU_HAVE
and pay attention this time.
here are a couple of relevant quotes:
Although there are at least eight versions of this document found in the files released by the White House, none of them contains any entries after October 1, 1973, despite the fact that this form was used to reflect changes in status and AFSC until April 1974.
eight different copies of the same "official" document from one source? hmmm. good source of truth you betcha ...
When you compare the Bush records to the United States Statutes, Department of Defense regulations, and Air Force policies of the early 1970s, only one conclusion can be reached: that 30 years ago, George W. Bush shirked his sworn duty as a member of the United States Armed Forces to the national security of the United States of America.
However, Bush’s desertion from the Armed Forces thirty years ago is not terribly relevant. Lots of people make mistakes in their early twenties, and those mistakes do not necessarily reflect on the character of individuals when they are in their fifties.
What is relevant is Bush’s continued lies about his service, and his insistence upon presenting his service in the US Military as honorable. It was not. Bush simply blew off his last two years of required service, and was able to get away with it because he came from a politically influential family.
There is no other explanation for Bush’s records. None.
Now it does appear that there is a discharge document from the files given in the article, it comes from one of the three highly questionable "whitewash" documents at the end, and it just says that one will be forwarded ...
Lots to answer for, little to show, lie after lie exposed and the gullible still buy his smile (with the smirk in their gullibility).
Enjoy.
ps -- shrubby's new overtime regs prove that anyone making less than 100,000 a year that votes for his is wearing a sign that says "kick me" when they leave the booth. gullible is as gullible does.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
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RAZD
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Message 233 of 612 (137040)
08-26-2004 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by johnfolton
08-26-2004 11:46 AM


Re: John Kerry is no Benedict Arnold
patriotism or jingoism ... and do you know thye difference?

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RAZD
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Message 234 of 612 (137042)
08-26-2004 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Dan Carroll
08-26-2004 11:47 AM


it's now clear
yeah, everyone knows that the anti achne cream is nuclear. For hardened blackheads.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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joshua221 
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Message 235 of 612 (137049)
08-26-2004 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by crashfrog
08-25-2004 11:43 PM


quote:
No, I think this is a pretty standard position among progressives, liberals, and Kerry supporters.
Generalization is never good, it's a lot more complex than this.
quote:
It's much like creationism. It's an easy battle to win because the evidence is clear, copious, and irrefutable.
I'm loving the slick remarks, that you seem to enjoy using to erk people with.
Frankly, I was under the impression that the evidence is sometimes unclear, ever-changing, refutable, and at times diminutive,
Nope, can't be the case, this is unquestionably truth, believe it or be deemed inadequate as a debater at evc...
At least admit that this was at the least off topic and wanton.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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Trump won 
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Message 236 of 612 (137050)
08-26-2004 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by RAZD
08-26-2004 12:38 AM


Re: right on.
quote:
people are allowed to be stupid, ignorant, malicious and insane as well, and they also are allowed to vote. they are allowed to vote for the government they deserve.
that doesn't make their choice good for the planet, homo sapiens, america or americans.
Choosing a president doesn't really apply here. I don't think you can call someone stupid for voting for Bush. That's not nice lol.

peace

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Dan Carroll
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Message 237 of 612 (137054)
08-26-2004 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Trump won
08-26-2004 1:21 PM


Re: right on.
I don't think you can call someone stupid for voting for Bush. That's not nice lol.
Is it okay to call someone stupid for stabbing themselves in the throat?
Just trying to figure out where the "nice" line is drawn.

"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

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Message 238 of 612 (137055)
08-26-2004 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by nator
08-26-2004 12:53 AM


Re: right on.
That's not cool. Your voting for a president, don't insult people about it.
I am the messenjah

peace

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Message 239 of 612 (137056)
08-26-2004 1:29 PM
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08-26-2004 1:26 PM


Re: right on.
2posts
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peace

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Message 240 of 612 (137057)
08-26-2004 1:29 PM
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08-26-2004 1:26 PM


Re: right on.
Committing suicide and voting for a president are slightly different, lol

peace

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