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crashfrog
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Message 151 of 612 (136449)
08-24-2004 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by NosyNed
08-23-2004 10:58 PM


Re: Looking from the outside
Your country has a serious problem with the leadership and with the individuals making decisions when they vote.
Aren't you the guys that I just heard on NPR were considering legitimizing fundamentalist Muslim courts, but just for Muslims?
I'm sure there's a lot of things that are great about Canada but I'm not sure I'd play the "Perfect Nation" card just yet, amigo.

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johnfolton 
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Message 152 of 612 (136452)
08-24-2004 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
08-24-2004 12:50 AM


Buzsaw, Thank-you, I was wondering if another option is mind control, because Kerry said his being in Cambodia on Christmas Eve was seared into his memory, just an interesting choice of words by Kerry, however, Kerry's own diary attested he was nowhere near Cambodia, nor has any other witnesses, so how did this memory become seared within Kerry's mind, etc... The truth is Kerry was nowhere near Cambodia on Christmas Eve, however he said this memory was seared in him, etc...
Page not found - WND
However, to try to answer your question, On the CBN show, John O'Neil was interviewed by Pat Robertson, which was documented on line, of 25 officers that served with John Kerry, 2 died, however of the 23 living survivors, 17 of them condemned Kerry.
CBN.com - The Christian Broadcasting Network
O'NEILL: They were, first of all, out of all the veterans in our unit, a very small number. Seven or eight people who served directly with him, out of about 10. And then, another small number of other people supported him from our unit. But there are 250-plus that signed the letter that can be found on SwiftVets.com | The Real Story on John Kerry's Military Service. A list of all their names, running from vice-admiral down to seaman, are contained in my book "Unfit for Command." The truth is, there are a very small number of people who support him. You'll find that some of those people were with him for as short a period of time as two days. The officers who served with him, 25 of them, two are dead. Out of the 23 living survivors who served with John Kerry day after day, operation after operation, 17 of them have condemned him. Seventeen of them indicated he was unfit to be the president of the United States. That's the truth, Pat.

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NosyNed
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Message 153 of 612 (136455)
08-24-2004 2:09 AM
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08-24-2004 1:50 AM


Re: Looking from the In side
...but I'm not sure I'd play the "Perfect Nation" card just yet, ...
oh no way! We even have a bit of a hotbed of fundies just a few 10's of km from here. But we seem to have less of all that sort of thing. (well then there is my Dad )
... amigo.
Check your compass. That should be mon ami.

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johnfolton 
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Message 154 of 612 (136465)
08-24-2004 3:14 AM


Interesting article on Kerry saying to the Iowa Telegraph Herald, that personally he is against abortion, if this is so, then he is lying when he say's to those against abortion that they are guilty of intolerance, going on to say this is not acceptable, that people for abortion need to speak out, so Roe/Wade is not overturned, that one should be proud of supporting what we stand for, though does this all not beg the question, that Kerry is lying to the American people to get their vote, if he is actually saying his stand is for abortion, so Roe/Wade is not overturned, then he lied to the Telegraph Herald, etc...
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/kerry.html
On Saturday July 3, 2004, John Kerry told Iowa's Telegraph Herald that he personally opposes abortion and believes that life begins at conception. The exact quote is, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception."
What does John Kerry really believe about abortion? At the 1993 NARAL Pro-Choice America Dinner, Kerry said:
"I think that tonight we have to make it clear that we are not going to turn back the clock. There is no overturning of Roe v. Wade... There is no outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or health and there are no more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world. We need to take on this President and all of the forces of intolerance on this issue. We need to honestly and confidently and candidly take this issue out to the country and we need to speak up and be proud of what we stand for."3
P.S. There is what Kerry says, and there is what Kerry does.
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nator
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Message 155 of 612 (136505)
08-24-2004 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
08-24-2004 12:50 AM


quote:
Possibly they are thinking of all the folks who disappeared among the living who were close to Clinton who just happend to be potential unfriendly witnesses to his and Hillary's shenanagins.
What a surprise.
Buzsaw actually believes thae hysterical paranoid conspiracy theory that Clinton had people offed, even though there is NOT ONE SHRED of credible evidence whatsoever.
Contrast that with the well-documented, completely, 100% true fact that senior Bush administration officials blew the cover of CIA spy Valerie Plame in a newspaper story, endangering her life and ruining her mission.
Why would they do this? Well, she is married to Joseph Wilson, a career diplomat who has been very vocal in opposing the war in Iraq.
The administration sent a really clear message with their actions that anyone who speaks up to exercise their US Constitutional right to disagree with our government will pay a dear price.
Even though it is a serious federal crime to out a CIA operative, and there are very few people in the administration who would have had the security clearance to know about Plame, the Bush administration has done nothing at all in a whole year to bring the person who leaked the information to justice.
Of course, it could also be that the administration isn't that evil and vengeful. It could also be that they are just reckless and incompetent.
Which is worse?
quote:
Please understand I'm not making any charges, but thinking aloud about some possibilities which may factor in as to why sooooo many who weren't in the boat but quite apprised have a very different story than some of those with him.
Um, partisan politics and a willingness to lie? Isn't that the most likely reason?

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nator
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Message 156 of 612 (136506)
08-24-2004 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by johnfolton
08-24-2004 3:14 AM


Re:
quote:
article on Kerry saying to the Iowa Telegraph Herald, that personally he is against abortion, if this is so, then he is lying when he say's to those against abortion that they are guilty of intolerance, going on to say this is not acceptable, that people for abortion need to speak out, so Roe/Wade is not overturned, that one should be proud of supporting what we stand for, though does this all not beg the question, that Kerry is lying to the American people to get their vote, if he is actually saying his stand is for abortion, so Roe/Wade is not overturned, then he lied to the Telegraph Herald, etc...
Why is it so unbelieveable to fathom that a person can hold a personal position, but realize that it is also a personal descision for everyone else, too, and that we need to preserve the right of women who do not share his personal, individual convictions to choose for themselves?
See, this just makes me respect him, because he isn't willing to impose his personal views upon the rest of the country.

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Message 157 of 612 (136511)
08-24-2004 10:01 AM
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08-24-2004 3:14 AM


maroon
whatever writes:
Interesting article on Kerry saying to the Iowa Telegraph Herald ... The exact quote is, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception."
At the 1993 NARAL Pro-Choice America Dinner, Kerry said: "I think that tonight we have to make it clear that we are not going to turn back the clock. There is no overturning of Roe v. Wade... There is no outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or health and there are no more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world."
What part about having a personal position while accepting that others may not have that position and are legally entitled to not only have that opinion but be able to act on it, do you not understand? That is not lying, it is being honest not only about his personal position but about the reality of the abortion issue. More honest than anyone who opposes abortion for others based on imposing their personal faith values on them. One can personally oppose law A but say that it is the law and it is justified by the majority position of the people and must be obeyed. A more honorable stance than shrubs imho.
Looks like you are shooting blanks again.
Enjoy.

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crashfrog
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Message 158 of 612 (136538)
08-24-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
08-24-2004 12:50 AM


Possibly Kerry's crew were grateful to him for keeping them in the safety zone along with himself away form possible firefight when his boat fled the scene.
I'm no soldier, but is it commonly accepted practice when one is opened fire upon to remain in the same place?
Everybody's figuring this as some act of cutting and running but he did come back to save lives, and I'm not sure that its reasonable to expect a commander to put the lives of his men at risk by staying put under fire.
I see the scenario differently:
1) Kerry and patrol begin taking gunfire.
2) Per standard operating procedure and good sense, Kerry tries to get his boat and men out of harm's way, presuming that the other skippers are doing the same thing.
3) Upon realizing that not all the boats have successfully avoided the engagement, Kerry turns back into a fire zone to repel the enemy and pick up injured, etc, putting himself and his men at risk.
I don't see the cowardice there. I see a reasonable action followed by a risky one. But then, I'm no soldier. I see soldiers in Iraq ducking for cover when insurgents open fire; does that make them cowards too?

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crashfrog
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Message 159 of 612 (136540)
08-24-2004 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by johnfolton
08-24-2004 2:06 AM


however, Kerry's own diary attested he was nowhere near Cambodia
Well, that's just plain false. Kerry's diary doesn't outright say it, but it doesn't attest that he wasn't there; rather, it implies that he was ordered to do something that he wasn't supposed to; for instance, illegally entering Cambodia.
nor has any other witnesses
Actually three of his boatmates have affirmed that they very well might have been in Cambodia. So, that's false too.
The truth is Kerry was nowhere near Cambodia on Christmas Eve
Well, the best you've proved so far is that, at one point on Christmas Eve, he was two hours away from Cambodia on a boat.
That's not what I would consider "nowhere near Cambodia." And certainly the rest of his crew substantiates that they were taking fire from Cambodians on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve, so as far as I'm concerned, that substantiates his Cambodia story.

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Message 160 of 612 (136543)
08-24-2004 12:12 PM


Kerry accused of heresy,
Its obvious that Kerry is pro abortion, and that he lied saying he is against abortion, interestingly Kerry has had heresy charges filed against him with the Archdiocese of Boston, though its highly doubtful the Archbishop will take the case, because of the 501 c3 associated mandates, etc...
P.S. Its quite interesting that Kerrys own accuse Kerry of heresy, and how can any Catholic in America, that believes in the Catholic doctrines, in good faith vote for a Candidate that's an enemy of the Catholic Church doctrines, with his own lips Mr. Kerry rallying with the abortionists must continue the fight to the continual preserving of Roe/Wade, is lying to Catholics when speaking of his faith as a Catholic to Catholics, said he personally is against abortion.
Kerry is guilty of Heresy not just lying before the Senate in regard to the Vets, but of lying to the Catholic Voters, because there is what Kerry says, and then there is what Kerry does (consistently voting for abortion). Kerry has a choice when he votes, so he simply lied when he said he personally is against abortion, and believes the sanctity of life begins at conception.
P.S. There is what Kerry says (personally against abortion) and there is what Kerry does (votes continually for abortion).
Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case - Washington Times
A Catholic lawyer has filed heresy charges against Sen. John Kerry with the Archdiocese of Boston
Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston is under no obligation to prosecute the accused.

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crashfrog
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Message 161 of 612 (136548)
08-24-2004 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by johnfolton
08-24-2004 12:12 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
There is what Kerry says (personally against abortion) and there is what Kerry does (votes continually for abortion).
Right, I think we've established that you lack the mental prerequisite to understand the difference between personal conviction and public policy.
See, the US Consitutution has this little provision that says that you can't subject others to your own religious views, no matter how universal you may believe them to be.
It's a good document. Maybe you should read it sometime.

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Message 162 of 612 (136550)
08-24-2004 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by johnfolton
08-24-2004 12:12 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
Its obvious that Kerry is pro abortion, and that he lied saying he is against abortion
I am against you saying stupid things.
I would never, ever try to make it illegal for you to say stupid things.
Try and understand how these two statements do not contradict one another.
how can any Catholic in America, that believes in the Catholic doctrines, in good faith vote for a Candidate that's an enemy of the Catholic Church doctrines
As a protestant, wouldn't Bush be more of an enemy of the Catholic Church doctrines?

"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine, it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read, 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous, and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.' The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."
-Rob Grant and Doug Naylor

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Message 163 of 612 (136552)
08-24-2004 12:47 PM
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08-24-2004 12:24 PM


whatever blanks again
It's a good document. Maybe you should read it sometime.
I think he prefers fiction

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Message 164 of 612 (136555)
08-24-2004 1:06 PM
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08-24-2004 12:24 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
quote:
Right, I think we've established that you lack the mental prerequisite to understand the difference between personal conviction and public policy.
Isn't this part of the definition of a religious fundamentalist?

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johnfolton 
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Message 165 of 612 (136559)
08-24-2004 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by crashfrog
08-24-2004 12:24 PM


Re: Kerry accused of heresy,
crash, Its not just his Catholic views, how can anyone believe anything Kerry says (makes Vets more believable), by saying he is all to all, etc...It means he is not being truthful about his stands, whether its his personal life, like his first marriage, to the being unfaithful to his first wife wedding vows, while married, and then wanting an annulment from the Catholic Church, etc... Kerry is quite unbelievable, you can not take both sides of an issue, yet the media is letting Kerry get away with being a contradiction, etc...
P.S. Kerry comes across as believing his contradictions are true, but a contradiction can not both be true, etc...Kerry is like a ship without a rudder, and thats not the man to be electing to the highest office of the land, etc...
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