New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

Razd, I'd not take anything Kerry site said to have much merit, Kerry saying he is a hero, likely you must understand his part in the taking away our hedge of protection from incoming nukes, but to add insult to injury, he voted to not supply body armour for the troops, why is it that you liberals want to take this hedge of protection from America's troops. The Swift Vets say Kerry fled the scene, who am I to disagree, based on all that Kerry has done to America and ours, by aiding the enemies of the United States, even to the voting of not supplying armour for our troops.P.S. If you vote for Kerry, how is not supplying armour to the troops in their best interest. Then take a deep breath, and ponder if its not in the enemies best interest, etc...However, we likely agree the Vets against Kerry is creating a righteous stink, about the truth, but that's their right, to give us their side of the story, it appears that our John Kerry in truth, fled the scene in his swift boat, only returning after it was safe. The book say's it also has the picture of our John Kerry within the North Vietnamese war museum, where Kerry is honored for his part of their victory over the United States, etc...GWB has never challenged Kerry's Vietnamese record, Kerry therefore pressed his Vietnamese record in the Democratic convention, all the Vets are doing is challenging Kerry's delusions.P.S. I'd question anything Kerry spins, he appears to be a walking contradiction. GWB campaign add did say, there is what Kerry says, and there is what Kerry does.

You'd have to ask the Bush administration, I guess.

why is it that I as a brit know more about the what is happening poltically in the states than you do? Don't you find that odd?On that note, I'd repeat the previous question - so the current govt supplies body armour to the troops?

Statement by Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO) Regarding John Kerry's Extreme Makeover Kerry voted in favor of the Iraq War and then voted against $87 billion in funding to send supplies like body armor to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Coloradoans aren't going to place their faith in a candidate who says he is 'proud' to have opposed funding our troops and then claims that voting to send them body armor was a 'complicated' matter.P.S. The armour (interceptor vest) is saving lives, John Kerry, probably says he is for it, but then again he voted against it and the supporting our troops parts, etc...

A little off topic - but Whatever is the same guy that has defended Walt Brown's nonsense about the "Fountains of the Deep" launching the asteroid belt and starting Noah's big Flud. What is that about right-wing fundies? No critical thinking skills at all?

Get honest here and stop spouting neocon propoganda --- so far that is all you have done, you haven't checked one thing for accuracy, and believe me, you need to.Every add the bush campaign has put out on Kerry misrepresent the truth. Every one. Everyone of those places where they "say there is what Kerry says, and there is what Kerry does" has been documented independantly as a false misrepresentation of the truth.Likewise the claims of the "swiftboat vets" have also been independantly refuted from actual documents from the time in question.You say Kerry is contradictions because you never look below the level of the neocon propoganda to see the nuance involved (or you don't understand (a) that there could be nuance or (b) that nuance makes a difference )? One can be for a position, but because something has been tacked on to the bill that is unnacceptable, the bill needs to be voted down.Meanwhile Bush says one thing and really does do the opposite. Morons and the more gullible believe the words and never look to the actions for the reality.For the issue of troops without sufficient armour, you need to ask who sent those troops there under those conditions, who sent those troops into harms way insufficiently prepared: if you blame Kerry for this instead of Bush you truly are ... sorry, kind words fail me. and you still have said nothing about Bush's "service" record -- he used his family to get a candy surrogate service job, and was too busy partying to complete that. An honest person would consider him AWOL and dishonorably discharged until evidence is presented to show otherwise. How about putting some effort in here to give as much scrutiny to shrubbykins as you think you have to Kerry. Do some work before you throw your vote away eh?I really have to wonder at the intellectual capability of anyone that would still vote for bush that isn't making at least $100,000 and part of his good ol' boy cabal.

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Charles Knight, I'm not sure if moms are still paying for off the market generic interceptor vests for up to 1000 dollars and sending these questionable vests to their children in Iraq, cause of the belief they might provide more protection for their children than some of the the flack jackets, and the like some of the soldier are presently using, think military red tape binds the military so that they can only buy certified interceptor vests, etc...P.S. I have not really been following the vest thing, not sure if certified interceptor vests are being supplied to each soldier, but it was important enough to request funding for, and you have Kerry voting against supporting our troops, its called putting politics ahead of our troops, etc...

among other ridiculous things on the construction of the ark and the survival of animals outside the ark to the point where one needs to ask why bother ...

Coragyps, You just have to love Walt, thinking outside the box, though heard reputable scientists say they found a meteor on the earth they said was launched from Mars, however agree this isn't the topic, like to think of myself as more of a independent, didn't like Dole either, liked the independent candidate Pat Buchanan, though voted for Dole, cause of the problems with Clintonomics, the problem is the democratic party is chipping away at the constitution, and Mr. John Kerry is a lawyer, who will continue to chip away at the constitution, which is likely why you approve with his double talk, knowing what he says means nothing, but to you means everything, etc....P.S. George has got the economy moving, but given his degree is in buisness, not law, thats what our country needs to create the environment for buisnesses to create jobs, to replace the jobs that the democrats sent packing to China, and other third world countries, etc...

Razd, I really liked your wave link (Noahs Ark thread), but agree whats the use, you all already have your minds made up in respect to Kerry, etc...

well, it is the rational decision.(and that wave page was well done )personally I think that attack ads are an atrocious way to influence a decision of such importance, especially when they come from loose canons. in terms of election reform, I think that any attack ad should be automatically followed by a fact rebuttal/correction ad that only addresses the accuracy of the points in the attack ad and at the cost of those making the attack ads. this would go a long way to putting real facts in from of people. cut down on the garbage ads and perhaps inspire more policy debate (of course shrub would lose out in that process on both counts).

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Razd, I don't think your going to see the Vet situation going away, cause John O'Neil who wrote the book isn't a Republican. He is one of those people that vote for the best candidate, the Vets beef with Mr. Kerry is beyond party affiliations, like a clear bell their adds have that ring of truth, they are on a mission. Their mission statement is Kerry is unfit for command, and you just have to love the picture of Kerry in the Saigon War Museum being honored for his part of the Communist victory over the United States. I've explained Kerry's part of the outsourcing of satellight hardened chip technologies, and wonder if these Vets included this treason within their book, etc...P.S. I tried to buy the book, its sold out at the bookstore, its the one bright happening in the election, perhaps the Vets will bring George the victory, as Charles Heston brought George home the Victory in the last election, etc...

Right. Because there wasn't any money for it without rolling back the tax cut, which Bush refused to do - to the point of threatening to veto the bill outright if he didn't get his way.Kerry only voted against it once, after he'd already approved the first $87 billion. Bush almost veoted it twice.As I said, you'd better ask Bush why body armor is less important than a tax cut. He voted for the first $87 billion. When Bush came around asking for another $87 billion, which we didn't have thanks to his tax cut, KErry said "no way."It's called "fiscal responsibility".This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-23-2004 09:09 AM

So we noticed. Didn't stop you from making claims, though.

Crash, What our country needs is an energy policy, which Kerry bucked, as a senator he filibuster of drilling for Alaskan oil, with the high cost of oil nearing 50 dollars a barrel, is hurting the economics, if Kerry was concerned with Americans solvency, and our fiscal responsiblities, he would of been supportive of drilling for oil in alaska, and developing alternative energies(coal burning technologies), etc... the stock market rebounding was not in Kerry's political interest, so the democrats needed to anchor Bushes economic revival with high oil prices, if Bush would of been allowed to have an energy policy and to of drilled for oil in Alaska, and off shore Florida it would of put the American people back in control, and that would of hurt the democratic parties agenda, to increase taxation, and set up their socialistic rubber stamp programs, the problems with Kerry's agenda he can only do that by increasing taxation, and that's Kerry's idea of fiscial responsibilities, Kerry has voted in the past to increase taxation of gasoline, talk about creating a burden on the American people, on the economy, etc...P.S. There is what Kerry says and then there is what Kerry does.This message has been edited by whatever, 08-23-2004 10:24 AM