New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

whatever, you still have not explained what is the point of any of this? Afterall, it was Republicans that made outsourcing to China possible and that promoted it. You do remember ping-pong diplomacy don't you?

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Actually Thurlow, being the senior skipper in the engagement, would have probably been the one to write up the report.Intelligence services reported later than the Vietnamese lost one soldier and that several were wounded in that very engagement. Who shot them if not American soldiers returning fire?How did the bullet holes get in Thurlow's boat? The thing about being a politician is, libel suits don't usually go very far. The courts have consistently ruled that public individuals are entitled to much less protection against libel by the courts. It may very well be that Kerry can't sue, no matter what the Swift Boat liars say.As it is though, he is suing them for their violations of campaign finance law.

I was talking about how they were aiding in the giving of military secrets to China, when Clinton gave these satellight secrets to China, and Kerry playing an important role, truely both of these men should of been tried for treason, for the military secrets they gave China. If I remember correctly the republicans were outraged, about giving this hardened technology to China, the lost hardened chips, satellight technology, etc...It is quite interesting that John Kerry is credited by the north vietnamese in their war museum for their victory, and if we go to war with china, that Clinton and Kerry have compromised the national security of our nation, and the democrats say they have the answers, if handing our countries military secrets to the enemy on a silver plater is the answer, then Kerry is your man, etc...P.S. Chamberlain too, thought the enemy wouldn't attack, but it was Churchill that stayed the course. Is History repeating itself, chamberlain made England totally defenseless, if it wasn't for America coming to the rescue, England would be speaking German today, do we want to be speaking Chinese, Russian, etc...Our country needs to be a soverign nation, Clinton and Kerry track record of selling national secrets to China, is aiding the enemy. I have no remembrence of a Republican president selling military secrets to China via ping pong diplomacy, etc...http://www.newsmax.com/...ves/articles/2003/9/29/25139.shtmlClinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War
Charles R. Smith
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As usual, you are not answering the question.So, let's make it simple.The single most important technology transfer from the US to our enemies was the transfer of the technology to make silent screws (propellers) for the nuclear submarines. That happened under President Reagan.Trade with China was opened under President Nixon.The most damaging spy network (the Walker spy ring) happened on President Reagans's watch.George Bush's inept handling of Foriegn Policy (hopefully is was just inept and not intentional) led to Iraq invading Kuwait. Had Bush's ambassador not tacitly given Saddaam the go ahead it is doubtful that he would have invaded Kuwait.So before you start making unfounded implications that the Republicans, or Democrats are better at foriegn policy, or that one side has allowed technology to get transfered, you need to check the records.

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What wrong with trading with other countries, the problem is the democrats have made a trade unfair via free trade treaties, we simply can not compete with the slave labor camps of china, this is the reason for health care costs, employers can not compete fairly with the bar lowered on the world market by the Democratic Party's free trade treaties, We know that Kerry voted to slash intelligence by 6 billion dollars, a member of the senate intelligence committe but hardly ever present, yet collecting a salary, would not Kerry's belief to decrease intelligence funding increase espionage secrets leaving our country, and while I agree this happens, its illegal, but what Clinton and kerry done was high treason, willfully giving secrets to China, that sacrificed our national soveignty, truly Kerry being a lawyer knew what was happening in the gifting of this technology to China. It almost as if the enemy is seeking to become commander and chief, etc...

Nixon and Reagan, again, are the ones that pushed so for favored-nation status for China. Turn Limbaugh off and listen to some Tejano music or something instead.

So you want to try to change the subject yet again?Once again whatever you are just babbling. Assertion. Please show your evidence for that charge. You have made a serious one there bubba and I hope you can back it up.

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Article explained Clinton outsourced more than trade to China, we already established that it was Kerry that sold this technology to China, etc...http://www.newsmax.com/...ves/articles/2003/9/29/25139.shtml

We've already dealt with that. It does not show treason and neither person has been charged with treason.Now how about explaining how Reagan and Bush allowed the technology needed to make the super silent screws used on nuclear subs to be transfered to Toshiba and then to the Russians?This message has been edited by jar, 08-21-2004 10:52 PM

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Coragyps, I try to limit the time I listen to Rush and other watchmen organizations, cause its so.... depressing, however seeing what they said coming to pass is extremely depressing.If one votes for Kerry one can not say one has not been warned, etc...P.S. I'm praying for pre-trib rapture, though fear it will be post trib, cause it says the dragon will be given power to overcome the saints over those 42 months (3 1/2 years), kjv rev 13:7, etc...

I wasn't aware that GWB had anything to do with sub screws, were not voting for his Daddy, but the Son.Kerry is the other man we have the honor to vote or not vote for, so one needs to understand his Senate record, war record,his integrity, his honesty, his character, etc... Is he a man fit to serve us in the highest office of the land, has he showed he has any intention of ever serving anyone but John Kerry, however, in repect to the outsourcing of war technology to china, its a mute point Kerry sold this space technology to China, Clinton made it possible, etc... that it was Kerry that was the sales person, granted they were not tried for treason, however, does not mean that they are not quilty of allowing of giving the enemy the highest technologies that could be used, and would be used against America, etc...Chamberlain made Britian defenseless, in essense America air defense became defenseless for incoming nukes, during the Clinton administration, do to his outsourcing of hardened chip technology, do you really want to elect a president that believes in turning off its star wars shield, that GWB to his credit pressed forward, against the protests of Russia, China, so that we might beable to knock down incoming nukes(Thank God for North Korea)(otherwise the democrats likely would of filibustered the Star War Shield), etc...granted it was the Democrats gave the Chinese this harden technology, so it left us without a means of defending our air space, not sure if Bush's star wars shield will beable to deflect all incomings, but what other choice is there, after Clinton and Kerry gave China means of hardening of their nucleur warheads, and the greater means of delievering them via satellight information, they previously had not, etc... however, I agree the retaliation factor of the submarines is an important part of detering an nuclear exchange too, both sides realizing the realities of an exchange, Chernobel, etc...P.S. One thing that is wrong with the liberals that they, Including Kerry, believe Chamberlain policy of being defenseless (Kerry wants to slash Intelligence spending by 6 billion dollars), however, does not history prove that Chamberlains philosophy was a setup, that took a world war to put to rest. It sad that were moving into the 7 year tribulation cummulating in(a war to end all wars), but even so Lord Jesus come quickly, meaning that man left to his own devices is capable and would destroy all flesh if the Lord Jesus (The Word) does not return quickly, but Word will return(prophecy to be fullfilled), the thousand year rule, the earth will be changed, it will become new, and abide forever, etc...

ever[/i]][/qs]And yet if you honestly stack it up against shrub, Kerry wins by a landslide. It would be amusing if it wasn't so serious, to watch you swallowing neocon lie after lie while they shred the constitution of the United States and plunder the government for profits. You need to verify your sources independently, but I don't expect any better behavior from you in this regard than observed from you with regard to science. For starters, try to verify that shrub was honorably discharged from the air nat guard ... with official documentation similar to what exists for all of Kerry's war service, such as his Purple Hearts. To be absolutely clear on this, there is nothing to turn off, there is no star wars shield, there will likely be no star wars shield, it is scientifically impractical, it has failed every test to date and several methods have already been developed to circumvent it should it ever get close to practical (and it would need to be 100% effective), while it sucks megabucks and creativity out from more worthwhile projects. It is a dangerous myth. Presumably you have copies of the bill of sale? Kerry is now suddenly Clinton's right hand man in this contrived neocon mythology? All the while congress and the senate were controlled by the republicans? And all they could do was charge someone about a blowjob stain on a dress -- and still fail to convict? Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous this ludicrous view is? Please provide the details for this from Kerry's campaign site, along with the details of what exactly is being cut and for what purpose? This is a particularly egregious example of one of those neocon lies mentioned above. Let's be blunt: the war in Iraq is a disaster from start to finish. They started it for the wrong reasons, gratuitously used false information to justify it, and it has been poorly planned and managed and still has no exit strategy. That the administration was solidly involved in all these areas of mismanagement and that it still does not acknowledge that it has made this major blunder shows that it is grossly incompetent to run this country. "Mission Accomplished" indeed. Or did we forget to ask exactly what the mission was?

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Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.

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Noticed that I distinguish between neocon and republican/conservative, for there are many who are as disturbed by this administration as most democrats justifiably are.

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RaZd, The issue is that from Kerry's ( ***own lips***) he said he would cut intelligence spending by 6 billion dollars, the fact is that he is on the intelligence committee, but never showed up after 911, and was 76 % absent pre 911, thats quite a record of being a no show, if you agree that we likely need more intelligence, to make better decisions, then your agreeing with GWB that Kerry is a no show, and not fit for command, like this particular GWB campaign add infers, there is what Kerry says(If elected I will cut), and there is what Kerry does (No show).With dirty Nukes suitcase bomb threats, how is Kerry proposal to cut intelligence spending in our countries well being, when to the terrorist to blow oneself up is equivalent to virgins in paradise, and the more Americans they take with them the greater they believe their reward is in their belief in paradise.Kerry's saying if elected President he would reduce intelligence spending, makes as much sense as the United Nations saying to Israel to not build a wall, to keep Muslim from walking across the border, to blow up Israelis (if the United Nations really believed this why then did they pullout of Iraq when the Muslims started blowing up United Nations employees), shouldn't the United Nations to be consistent with their protocol they have to Israel and others, lead by example, have instead opened the doors to their embassy, so the Muslim terrorists could walk right in and blow the UN embassy, and the employees up, to be fair to what they are saying to Israel, to take down your shields, so the Palestinians can blow up their citizens.Perhaps you believe Kerry is ignorant (c- student while attending yale), perhaps he really believes like Chamberlain, who believed hitler was his friend, perhaps Kerry really believes China is his friend, but history tells us the enemy may attack, so we have to keep our guard up, not let our guard down, by cutting intelligence spending. Kerry by refusing to answer his part of selling this technology to China, shouldn't the american people know, what his reasoning was to destroy our hedge of protection from Chinese incoming nukes. It pretty much a mute point Kerry is guilty of treason against our country, though will likely never be prosecuted, perhaps the very reason he refuses to answer questions of his part of this affair, etc...P.S. GWB building a star wars defense shield, has it not silenced the North Korean threat, cause we can now knock down their nucleur missles, granted not much of a defense against Russian subs, but the nations like Iran, North Korea, are a part of the threat to our nation too, etc... I agree we need to have a submarine fleet to keep China, Russia honest too, but we need to separate ourselves from the United Nations, and remain a soverign nation, when Clinton gave China hardened technologies, we lost an important way to destroy incoming nukes. Your car won't run because of Nucleur pulse destroying your cars chips, but those Chinese nukes chips will not be affected because of Kerry and Clinton gifting them this technology, etc...P.S. Chamberlain made Britian defenseless, cause Hilter was his friend, etc... John Kerry is one of Saigons greatest hero's, and is endorsed by Chinese press as their choice to become the next president of the united states. I just find it interesting that Kerry refuses to answer his part in the outsourcing of this technology to china, etc...

You know, if you bothered to actually examine these claims instead of parroting them from Bush's commercials, you might not look so stupid when we debunk them for you.As it turns out, this claim is absolutely false. What they're describing as "absences" are occasions when Kerry was present for the open hearings, but did not speak.That's not an absence to me, or to any reasonable person. Here's another outright false claim. Kerry supported a bill that cut 6 billion from a large number of government programs in an effort to reduce the national debt. (Remember that phrase you Republicans used to use? "Fiscal Responsibility"?) In regards to intel funding, it would have lost only $1 billion.But that bill did not go through. The bill that Republicans passed cut even more. As well it should - 58 percent of the intel budget at the time was going to survellance against the Soviet Union, which [i]no longer existed.

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As portrayed out of context in a bush ad ... I said to verify your statement from Kerry's website, not regurgitate some distortion of the truth pretending to present information as fact. This is just like the neocon lies about Gore "inventing the internet" -- false misrepresentations. Prove me wrong.The Kerry site is http://www.johnkerry.com/index.htmlNow go and do as I ask or admit that you only listen to neocon propaganda. Learn to separate fact from fiction.I also seen no effort on your part to provide the information to show shrubbykins was not AWOL and did get an honorable discharge. It should be simple if it is true. Simple. Very simple. But where is the evidence? Hmmm? Seems to me he was incapable of even pulling rich boy coddled light duty surrogate service. Talk about a real no show ...Repeat: starwars does not exist. Seems you missed that point last time. It is no more feasible now than it was when Reagan was president.Repeat: the Iraq war is a disaster and shows the shrub administration to be incompetent.Meanwhile Afghanistan reverts to tribal warfare and Taliban control as it is neglected in favour of Iraq, an opportunity squandered: more incompetence.Meanwhile Al Queda has regrouped, reformed and expanded bigger and likely badder than ever, while our forces cannot handle police duty in Iraq because there was no plan for the aftermath: more incompetence.Meanwhile terrorism against Americans is at an all time high even disregarding the continued conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan even according to the (revised under duress) report from the administration: more incompetence.Meanwhile a majority of traditional US allies have been antagonized and insulted to the point where US credibility is at an all time low internationally: more incompetence.Meanwhile the US economy still stumbles and falters lumbered by bad internal policies in almost every department from environment to unemployment to overtime pay to taxation ... policies moving in the wrong direction: more incompetence.Just how low is your standard?For me, Kerry shows more leadership by coming back from the war and then criticizing the reasons for being there and bringing to peoples attention the bad things that were being done (similar to what is now happening in Iraq ... ) than anything shrubby has done: good leaders can recognize when a policy is wrong and needs to be changed.Notice this for comparison to shrubs military "record" (from http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php}: That's official US Navy records, not hype, not propaganda: it's real.perhaps you can find that Kerry position on intelligence funding from this site (see number 2 in particular) http://www.johnkerry.com/...room/releases/pr_2004_0426b.html or perhaps you can "the rest of the story" here http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/news/news_2004_0312b.html Let's see, that would be increase 200 billion less a proposed reduction of 1.5 billion for unspent, secret funds and that was overruled by a 3.8 billion reduction put through by republicans .... hmmmm. Get the facts.as I said Bush uses lies and misrepresentations, perhaps because he has no real facts to use. Except his incompetence.{{edit to correct number}}This message has been edited by RAZD, 08-22-2004 02:29 PM

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