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Author Topic:   Joe Sacco's "Palestine"
Silent H
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Message 1 of 8 (134606)
08-17-2004 7:18 AM


I've been looking into good graphic novels... which means extended comic books... and found an author new to me, covering an old subject very well.
Joe Sacco is a journalist that spent a few months in Israel/Palestine to cover the life of the Palestinians during the first Intifada.
He is first and foremost a journalist, but his medium is comic art, and his style of narration is personal and self-effacing. While journalists have said plenty on the Palestinian situation, HIS way of telling it makes it very fresh and perhaps more accessible.
After all this is a very heady and dark subject, and without some humor, it becomes overwhelming, perhaps impossible to digest. Strict journalist methods may force one to turn away and give up.
Anyway, I highly recommend this book for everyone, especially those who have little understanding about the history/nature of the conflict... or who these Palestinians are and what might drive them to extreme measures.
FYI--- For those wondering, it is not a "Palestinians are sunshine" book. It is pretty much a warts and all depiction of both sides. Yes, the Israelis have a few more malignant growths to expose, but one tends to understand WHY as the events unfold.
Remember its an EASY READ people, its a comic book!

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Message 2 of 8 (134607)
08-17-2004 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
08-17-2004 7:18 AM


ahem - I take offense at the Comic book = Easy read. Some of the most complex things I've seen were comicbooks.

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Silent H
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Message 3 of 8 (134629)
08-17-2004 9:18 AM
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08-17-2004 7:22 AM


ahem - I take offense at the Comic book = Easy read. Some of the most complex things I've seen were comicbooks.
Okay, being a "fan" of Chris Ware I am the first to admit that some comics can be very hard to read.
But in this case, Sacco's narrative style is smooooooooth.
So it's an easy to read comic.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Message 4 of 8 (134715)
08-17-2004 2:54 PM
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08-17-2004 9:18 AM


what about
Chosen by Mark Millar - nice twist at the end!

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Silent H
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Message 5 of 8 (134782)
08-17-2004 7:02 PM
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08-17-2004 2:54 PM


Re: what about
I hadn't even heard of it. So I looked it up and, to be honest, it doesn't look like a subject area that would interest me... but if you are recommending it I'll check it out (you seem pretty reasonable to me).
But it'll have to wait till I get through some more Sacco material (I recently bought a couple of his collected works).
Did you read Ware's Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth? It is apparently the first comic to win some major "regular" book award. I was pretty knocked out by the end... and not all of it from eyestrain trying to make out all of his details.
Unlike "Palestine" (by Sacco), this wasn't the first book of Ware's I ever read, but it was the biggest and makes me hope he'll put out some more like that.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Message 6 of 8 (134786)
08-17-2004 7:09 PM
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08-17-2004 7:02 PM


Holmes
It's a 3 parter about the "possible" second-coming of Jesus - some strong language and the like in it.
Nice twist at the end....

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Silent H
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Message 7 of 8 (134796)
08-17-2004 8:16 PM
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08-17-2004 7:09 PM


Re: Holmes
It's a 3 parter about the "possible" second-coming of Jesus...
Yeah, that's what I gathered when I looked it up online. Personally (it's a taste thing) I don't like that kind of stuff. I'm very TIRED of the whole Jesus thing, and ESPECIALLY the second coming thing.
I guess I lived too close to it for the first decade or so of my life, and so updates on it don't look fresh to me.
Like I still love watching Heston biblical epics, and "update" things I've seen before like the Rapture, or the Seventh Seal. Heck, I even like Peter Gabriel's take on someone that might be the second coming (solsbury hill). But I find anything new just drags on me. Like its another weight.
Nice twist at the end....
The question will be (for me) is it worth reading all that material BEFORE the twist. Like I said, you seem pretty well put together so I don't think you're giving me some false lead... I'll give it a chance.
And let me tell ya, if history is any precedent I could turn out loving it...
I actually had to be dragged to Star Wars and threatened with punishment before going to see Raiders of the Lost Ark. I ended up loving them both, so I have learned to give something a shot based on a credible recommendation, even if I have some personal aversion to the subject matter.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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CK
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Message 8 of 8 (134797)
08-17-2004 8:19 PM
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08-17-2004 8:16 PM


Re: Holmes
I thought the same - Jesus comes and saves the world but the last four pages makes it all worthwhile (while strangely would not offend any christians - well being an atheist I'm not sure).

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