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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar, you need to read the last 11 paragraphs I addressed to PaulK regarding the underwater landbridege in my above post Fantastic. Those are exactly the reasons that the evidence of the land bridge are so weak. There are lots of assertions but no facts. The grade information is so poor that it would not be accepted in a Junior High Science Fair. It makes the assumption that the grades are a continuous slope based on measurements near shore and then extended across that open area. It then tries to take those assertions and relate them to a totally unrelated factor in an attempt to change the discussion from the problems with the actual slope and measurements to a discussion of the infered grade to Disability Standards. The Land Bridge assertion is so weak that it actually detracts from any of the other claims. It's a classic example of bait and switch, begin with one small fact, expand from that to assertions and then switch to relating the assertions to some outside standard. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz
Slight of hand and misdirection once again. Let's stick to what you folk call evidence. Pick one of the items and try to show us why it should be considered. I've been trying to get one of the supporters to discuss the rock paintings. Would you feel like you could defend those or is there one of the other subjects you believe is defensible? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It does not matter what some book publisher did.
It does not matter if the mountain top look black. Evidence. EVIDENCE ITEM 1: What is it? Blackened Mountain Top. 1)WHICH LAB CONDUCTED INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION? 2)WHEN WAS THIS CONDUCTED? 3)WHAT TESTS WERE PERFORMED? 4)WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF 3? 5) WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION AROUND THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? AVAILABLE? Jim, for the blackened mountain top to be evidence you MUST first:
Unless you can answer those questions, the Darkened Mountain is not evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's parse the statement...
it shows the single mountain peak that is clearly blackened, and it is on the edge of the area where the Hebrews camped (which is all light brown in the satellite photo of the area) -- and then there is an additional area on the left side of the satellite photo that is quite large which is also blackened. First part: "it shows the single mountain peak that is clearly blackened". That means nothing. Unless you can answer the questions I ask in Message 261 there is no evidence. Next part, "and it is on the edge of the area where the Hebrews camped ". No evidence. If you change the statement to say, "and it is on the edge of the area where we are claiming the Hebrews may have camped" then it might be an acceptable assertion. But it is still not eveidence. Next you assert, "and then there is an additional area on the left side of the satellite photo that is quite large which is also blackened." This actually weakens your arguement since even in the Bible, two pillars of flame are not mentioned. In fact, in the Bible it says that the column of smoke and pillar of flame will go before them. It is very hard to even imagine a mobile mountain. JimDSA, this is the problem. You weave a cleaver cloth, but so far have presented no evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet more paranoid assertions.
Let's parse this statement.
Ron filmed him at his desk admitting that it looked like the remains of an 18th Dynasty chariot wheel "Ron filmed him at his desk" Has no meaning. That is not evidence. It is just another appeal to authority.
admitting that it looked like the remains of an 18th Dynasty chariot wheel Big deal. If it looked like an 18th Dynasty wheel, that still is not evidence. We know that the 18th Dynasty used chariots, even though there is no claim that it is even a chariot wheel. In addition, during the 18th Dynasty, there were numerous campaigns throughout the area in question. There is nothing suprising about finding an 18th Dynasty wheel. But there is also NO evidence connecting it to any one of the various campaigns in that area.
IT MAKES THEM LOOK BAD TO ADMIT THAT THE EGYPTIAN ARMY WAS BEATEN BY THE GOD OF THEIR CURRENT-DAY ENEMIES, THE "HATED JEWS"! Again, you have absolutely no understanding of the period and politic. If you did, you would know that Anwar Sadat had suceeded Nasser as the President of Egypt in 1970. One of his major goals was to improve the relations with Israel and repair the damage done during the 6 days war.
When he succeeded Nasser, Sadat was completely unknown and untested. Over the next 11 years, however, Sadat proved his leadership abilities. His first trial on the international scene involved the aftermath of the Six Day War. Sadat openly offered the Israelis a peace treaty in exchange for the return of the Sinai lands taken in the attack. From the Jewish Virtual Library This was a period when Egypt was trying very hard to improve relations with Israel and a finding such as the Exodus would have been a diplomatic coup for Sadat, one that he would have jumped at. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Lys
Let's parse this statement.
It is evidence. Plenty of evidence for those who accept it as evidence, and no evidence for those who refuse to accept it as evidence. "It is evidence." No, it is not. I gave the reasons in the earlier post, but I'll summarize them again for your benefit. There were many campaigns during the 18th. Dynasty in that general area. There is no evidence linking the wheel to any particular event. Let me expand further. There is no clear evidence that the Exodus even happened. Second, there is no clear evidence that can date the Exodus to the 18th Dynasty period, and there is a large and growing body of evidence that seems to show that the Exodus, if it did even happen, did not happen during the period from 1500BCE to 1400BCE. "Plenty of evidence for those who accept it as evidence" So you are saying that those who wish to believe it can do so. No one would argue that. If someone has already decided on the conclusion, they can manufacture support. But that does not make it evidence Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's parse the following statements.
You're a hot tempered man that needs happiness in his life. Please show how that relates to the Exodus revealed video? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
List to me every single campaign that ever took place in this area around Nuweiba beach. I want documented sources of every campaign, by which civilizations, and over what. Let's parse that statement. "List to me every single campaign that ever took place in this area around Nuweiba beach." What does that have to do with the Exodus Video? I can no more connect the wheel (if it even exists) to a particular campaign than you can connect it to the Exodus. In addition, there is not even any evidence that the wheel even originated in that area. "I want documented sources of every campaign, by which civilizations, and over what." Again, smoke and mirrors. What you are doing is once again trying to change the issue. Even if there was a day by day chronology of that part of the Gulf of Aqaba, it has nothing to do with the Video. You people are making a claim that a) the wheels exist.b) that the wheels date from the 18th. Dynasty. c) that the wheels are realted to the alleged Exodus instead of any other event. Do not think you can play shell games. We will keep your eye on the real issues. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nope. I am not going to let you change the subject.
You can keep trying, but you will not suceed. The issue is "How can you connect the wheels to the Exodus?" Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nope, not going to let you change the issue.
Once again,
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