Islam thread

Is it not time this one was shut down ? we have racism (let's nuke them all!) and now posters offering to kick the shit out of each other?maybe they need to pull a knife first.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-02-2004 04:34 AM

I think asgara made the right chice.Jubela is not a good influence on the forum. I don't think I have ever lost my temper before on a thread. But that man's idiocy, and stubbern intolerance, was infuriating.I don't think any sort of sensible discussion could ever occure with someone of that sort, and seeing as this is the EVC, we don't need to waste our time even giving Jubelas hate-filled rants the time of day.I request that Asgara keep that forum closed for the betterment of the reast of the EVC.

I was just going to drop my good guy image and phone the sheikhs and ayatullahs to drop a WMD at Michigan to eradicate Jubela, but thanks to the thread closing, the citizens of Michigan are spared[don't take this seriously]

I prefer a different tactic to get rid of people like that, and I was just getting started when the thread was shut down.
I was once involved in a feminist discussion board, and there came along a man who began posting messages which chastized all of us for including black folks in our movement, and how the Aryan race was superior, etc.This man let slip at one point that he was of Irish descent. I then began going on and on about what a "filthy mick" he was, and how degenerate a race the Irish were, with their drunken, layabout natures, and how they were all trying to pollute the moral purity of the US by opening up so many Iriah pubs here, and how the Aryans would kill him too when they took over the world, because he isn't Aryan.It wasn't difficult, and it was really fun. He eventually just slunk away all on his own.There is a basic intelligence requirement for one's opponent if this technique is to be successful. They have to be smart enough to "get" that you are doing exactly the same thing to them that they are doing to another group. That way they can't call you on treating them "unfairly".PecosGeorge "got" what I was doing right away, almost.He actually had the nerve to imply that not ALL Christians try to convert non-believers, nor are bent upon making the US a Theocracy, even though the signs are all around us.He insisted that HE never got involved in the conversion process, but, just as with the Muslims, if a FEW are involved, they ALL are culpable....at least, that's the same philosophy as his friend, jubela.I think that PecosGeorge needs a time out for bringing jubela here.

He actually had the nerve to imply that not ALL Christians try to convert non-believers, nor are bent upon making the US a Theocracy, even though the signs are all around us.

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He insisted that HE never got involved in the conversion process, but, just as with the Muslims, if a FEW are involved, they ALL are culpable.
not all christians try to convert nonbelievers and not all christians are bent upon making the us a theocracy.if someone asks me about my faith i will disuss it, but generally not until. further, i think that theocracies are the worst thing ever and i will fight to the death to prevent my home from becoming one.but that's all off topic.as the starter of the thread in question, it did get out of hand and i'm glad the insanity was ended. some people really, really need to shut up and listen before going on with their insane, inane ravings.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 08-02-2004 09:09 PM

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not all christians try to convert nonbelievers and not all christians are bent upon making the us a theocracy.

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Yes, yes, I know. The point of my saying these kinds of things is to hold a mirror up to the people saying the same thinbngs about a different group, such as Muslims.

i figured. but i wanted to make sure. :-p

There was no racism in this thread, Charles. Jabela's inflamitory stuff was about his personal wish to fight Islam to the death and do to them what their fundies would like to do to us, i.e. nuke us. Though I do not share his views on this, (nuking all Islamics) I want to set the record straight on Jabela's behalf that his hatred is not racist but directed toward the violent nature of Islam as practiced and taught by Mohammed, his successors and a large percentage of Islamic leaders and clerics to this day, as is daily being demonstrated. This is not the case atol. People like you, Schraf and other gullible ones who see no threat by the violent nature of this religion in spite of 9/11 and much else going on, simply are being apologists for a religion whose violent doctrines Jabela did such a thorough job of documenting.Imo, rather than attempting to refute Jabela (which you knew full well you couldn't do), your strategy was to shout down Jabela, and clamer for administrative censorship of truth to shut him down. Asgara, evidently liked the idea, though imo, there was no valid reason for it. Jabela was admonised during the thread to stop using large letters and he immediately complied. Yah he used them briefly, on a couple of occasions, but so do others on occasion.The bottom line is that sometimes the truth is not fluffy nice and rosy, but quite bluntly offensive. Go ahead and continue your drive to apologise for the true doctrines of Islam and see what happens. The Biblical prophecies have it that the citizens of the planet will wake up all too late because of the ignorance and apathy of those who should know better. So the war on terror goes all the way to Armageddon.The personal stuff that gave Asgara the excuse to shut down the thread was not posted by Jabela, buy by you people who couldn't refute, personally attacking the messenger rather than refuting the message. That's not the way objective forums are suppose to operate.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-07-2004 10:19 PM

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Buz darlin' even you never advocated exterminating an entire group of people. Whether or not you agree with his sentiments concerning this group advocating genocide is just way over the top...and no, I don't care to hear how "they" would like to do it to us. "They" are not on this forum proclaiming these wishes.

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Yes, madear Queen, but rather than shutting him down I'd have liked to see you do what usually is done, have him tone down the nukey stuff on the innocent peaceful Muslims. As he had already demonstrated, I think he would've complied if given the ultimatum he would need to do it. Correct me if mistaken, but I saw no forum rules broken by him which he did not correct. It was his critics, imo, who should have been admonished. They, imo, were the ones who violated forum rules by turning on the messenger personally rather than the noble and right thing to do, i.e. addressing the topic issues by debating them.

I'm afraid we may have ran a potential informative, intelligent and articulate poster outa town here who, with some admonishment and advice would have been a voice crying in the wilderness on this board. I don't think we want everyone here stereotyped, agreeing with each other's ideological views, now do we, my friends? A bit of flair and emotion might wake up some deadheads here.

Actually buz, I did give him a warning back in message 64 http://EvC Forum: islam By the time I got back to the thread it had turned rather ugly on both sides. If you'll read the closing post it named no names and asked for assurance of civility from all sides. The only replies I received were from participants thanking me for closing it down. Jubela never replied.

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Right. You gave the warning. So far as I can remember, the order was complied with by Jabela. Nothing that I am aware about in the rules requires a reply by him but to comply. Is that correct?Yes, it did turn ugly, but by whom? Who was it throwing the rhetorical personal stones rather than addressing the issues of debate? Imo, it was these offenders who should've been then admonished, rather than having Jabela shut out. Doesn't this smack some of anarchy?Please understand that I consider you to be an ok mod with a tough job. Could it be that the volitile nature of the subject caused you to over react here and err by targeting the lawful poster rather than the clamering offenders?

May I suggest we invite Jabela back if he is still in town, and have his thread reopened for continuance of the interesting and informative debate in hopes that his adversaries will be able to control their emotions and hold to addressing the topic?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-07-2004 11:51 PM

Buz, this is not a thread for debating Islam. Jubela is absent of his own volition and if he returns there will be no mention of his wish for conversion of who will and then death for all others. He espouses a worldview that is no different than that which you claim the Muslims want.His adversaries were NOT the only problem.This thread was for discussing the closing of the Islam thread. I believe that it has been discussed as much as needs be. You are the only one disagreeing with my actions and I have replied to your concerns.

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