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Author Topic:   If being Christian is so great, why is the music so bad?
contracycle
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Message 65 of 99 (125676)
07-19-2004 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
03-16-2002 6:18 PM


Becuase mostly christianity is about being a Good Citizen, not god. So Good Citizens support the Traditional Framily, and Authority, and they Don't Take Drugs, becuase that is how good citzenship is defined. Necessarily, music made for good citizens by good citizens only has one characteristic feature: niceness. It cannot and does not challenmge, provoke, rebel, or even really emote.

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contracycle
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Message 73 of 99 (127648)
07-26-2004 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Gup20
07-23-2004 12:30 PM


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In fact there is some extremely heavy metal christian bands.... If someone with that taste in music becomes saved, they don't instantly change their music preferences.
But with all the anger and angst removed, they are just going through the motions.
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Christianity is not about 'being a good citizen'.
As far as I can tell, thats exactly what it's about; the main virtues of christiabity all seemt o do with obedience, keeping your mouth shut and your nose to the grindstone for the bosses.
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It is not a bunch of rules and 'dos and donts'.
Though Shalt Not... If its NOT a bunch of rules, what is it for? The whole thing operates on a premise of blackmial: follow these instructions or suffer.
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It is a relationship with the creator of the universe.
And how was god, last time you met?
Or is this the same kind of "relationship" that a stalker has while watching a lit window from across the street (at best). It's not a relationship, its the comforting illusion of one.
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contracycle
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Message 75 of 99 (127738)
07-26-2004 10:31 AM
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07-26-2004 9:53 AM


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Actually the principles of freedom, free speech, and free will - ideas the USA was founded on
... but despises...
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all come directly from the Bible.
And that, I'm afraid, is a lie. The oldest standing democratic forum, IIRC, is the Icelandic althing and that emanates from Pagan, pre-christian, political arrangements.
Whereas Christianity first supported the Empire, and then the King. Christianity is an enemy of liberty. You give a lovely fairytale about this non-existant god, but the fact of the matter is that some notional post-mortem reward is just a bribe to keep the slaves and peasants in line.
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Carl Marx - the father of communism - said that if you can change a people's history, you can change them into anything. By changing our history from creation by God to creation by nature through evolution, we have been conned into disbelief of God, and rejection of Jesus' free gift of salvation. "I don't need to be 'saved'... I don't believe that Bible anyway... modern science tells us that book isn't true anyway."
Firstly that's Karl. Secondly, you are demonstrating his thesis: arguing for a fairy-tale as our origins, rather than allowing us the evidence of ourt own eyes. That is why you proffer this fictional dead god.
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So you see, when a person becomes a Christian... they are no longer bound by sin and their spirit is no longer bound by sin and death. So they are MORE free than others... not less free.
No, they are imprisoned by a lie.
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It shocks and amazes people when I tell them that I can pray to God, he hears me... and he answers me.
Are you aware that hearing voices in your head is a classic symptom of psychological disorder?
I mean, he DOES actually answer he, doesn't he, its not like some happy coincidence happens and you conclude it "must" have been god "answering your prayers", is it?

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contracycle
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Message 77 of 99 (127780)
07-26-2004 12:30 PM
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07-26-2004 11:18 AM


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Oh really? I was not aware that the writers of the constitution were primarily Icelandic, or pagan. In fact, they were Christians.
They were also English, and thus the heirs of Germanic doctrine of personal responsibility and personal law. The roots of demcracy go much further back than the bible.
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Well a whole bunch of Christians started the USA, which is the most free nation on earth.
Now thats just demonstrably false; at the moment, American citizens do not have such protectionsas were enjoyed by the founders, namely habeus corpus, which was guaranteed by Magna Carta.
But even without that recent event, I don;t think the state with the highest proportion of incarcerated citizens of any OECD state con call itself a bastion of freedom. As I said, Christinaity is an enemy of freedom worldwide, as is the USA.
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Secondly, Biblical creation had been around for thousands of years before Darwin.
Quite right. And all that time it served Emperors and Kings. So how is this faith "freedom"? It is not: it is a system for creating obedient slaves by promising them fictional rewards after they are dead in exchange for their work and suffering now.
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Evolution tells you that the Bible is a lie... that it is a fairy tale. However, we have seen many creation sciences take hold and stand the test of time. For example, Isaac Newton was a Creationist. So was Louis Pasteur, Carlous Linneaus, and many more. These are men who's christianity and passion for the Bible drove them to their discoveries.
It also demonstrates the robustness of the scientific method; becuase quite rergardless of the personal prejudices of those practitioners, their work told the truth even they would have preferred it did not.
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Yes, and fortunately for you, I do not hear a voice in my head.
OK, so you admit that you do not in fact talk to god as you claimed.
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Sometimes I feel God is directing me in a certain way and then he will confirm his word to me through a circumstance or another person. (for example, I will feel that God is telling me something specific, and later someone I know will come to me and tell me they were praying for me and they felt God wanted them to tell me something specific and they are the same thing).
So you are, in fact, just imagining your relationship with god. I'm quite sure that a celeb stalker thinks they know their victim, thinks their is or would be some kind of spiritual link, some sympathy. But its enirely one sided, and entirely imaginary. That seems to descrobe your "relationship" with god pretty accurately - and without even discussing that absence of any serious indication that such a god exists.

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