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jar
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Message 91 of 230 (119062)
06-26-2004 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by simple
06-26-2004 3:58 PM


When you go out at night
do you see stars?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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simple 
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Message 92 of 230 (119126)
06-27-2004 12:18 AM
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06-26-2004 4:10 PM


Re: When you go out at night
Yes

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jar
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Message 93 of 230 (119132)
06-27-2004 12:39 AM
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06-27-2004 12:18 AM


Re: When you go out at night
The the light that you see, the old slow light from those stars, has been traveling for some time? Right?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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simple 
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Message 94 of 230 (119134)
06-27-2004 1:01 AM
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06-27-2004 12:39 AM


and the point is...
Why do you ask?

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jar
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Message 95 of 230 (119135)
06-27-2004 1:07 AM
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06-27-2004 1:01 AM


Re: and the point is...
Do you see the stars?

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Message 96 of 230 (119137)
06-27-2004 1:20 AM
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06-27-2004 1:07 AM


post 88
post 88 explains my thoughts, and how it only now takes time.

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jar
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Message 97 of 230 (119141)
06-27-2004 1:27 AM
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06-27-2004 1:20 AM


Re: post 88
So the light you see is the light that left the star billions of years ago. Agreed so far?

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Message 98 of 230 (119151)
06-27-2004 1:46 AM
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06-27-2004 1:27 AM


Re: post 88
No. The light we see, if my model is correct, would only take our physical world light that long to get there. The majority and most important part of God's creation is the spirit world. Before seperation it would not take that long to get there.

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jar
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Message 99 of 230 (119152)
06-27-2004 1:52 AM
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06-27-2004 1:46 AM


Re: post 88
Sorry, but you better show a model for that.
What you are seeing is normal physical world light. Plain old slow light. You can't show any of that spiritual fast light and even if it existed, by your own arguments it's long gone past us.
If you see it, it got here. Billions and billions of years.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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simple 
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Message 100 of 230 (119157)
06-27-2004 2:22 AM
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06-27-2004 1:52 AM


Re: post 88
Long gone past us? I guess you didn't see post 88. The idea was that the physical light took over the path, so by my calculations it would not all go past for, in the case mentioned, a billion years. (at it's present speed) But at it's speed several thousand years ago before said seperation, it would be instant more or less. Just as spitits themselves can travel instantly to far away, with no time needed. It's like saying God travelled to a star a billion light years away for a visit, and got there in a flash, but then saying it must have taken Him a billion years because our light only goes that fast. Sorry, the spirit world is not bound by time nor tide.

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jar
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Message 101 of 230 (119162)
06-27-2004 2:29 AM
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06-27-2004 2:22 AM


Re: post 88
But that only applies up to the split and only for your hypothetical pixie dust light. The plain old physical light is taking billions and billions of years to get to us.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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NosyNed
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Message 102 of 230 (119171)
06-27-2004 3:46 AM
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06-27-2004 2:22 AM


Calculations
Oh good, calculations.
Let's see your calculations. Perhaps with a suggestion of what a diagram would look like.

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Sleeping Dragon
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Message 103 of 230 (119189)
06-27-2004 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by simple
06-26-2004 3:58 PM


To arkathon:
Thank you for your reply.
Reply to your post:
Creation of the world was laid out in detail. What came first, man and woman, timeframe, etc.
Like I said, "mix dough, bake and serve". Where is the detail? We're talking "how", not "what" or "why". You have failed to answer the question entirely.
Good bad knowledge? If it goes against man, enslaving or killing or infecting him. ( bio nuclear warfare etc, mind control)Genetical monstrosities - tinkering with God's creation. Good? how about some medical things, pasteurization, cures, etc. Then there is just knowledge, say not so bad or good, but too much for a sinful fallen man, who will use it badly.
You really have NO idea, do you? All knowledge falls into the category you called "not so bad or good". Like someone has already mentioned in this thread, it is the individual who pulls the trigger of a loaded gun that kills a person, not the gun itself. Knowledge does NOTHING on its own. Whether it is used for good (nuclear power stations, radiotherapy, etc.) or bad (nuclear warheads, radioactive waste dirty bomb, etc.) is dependent on WHO uses it. You are one confused puppy.
Circular reason? Basically someone's view of belief in God, who omits healings, prophesy fulfillments, miracles, answered prayers, angelic help, etc as evidence, and thinks God is not the center of the circle, so thinks it is objective to call it that.
Great. So you don't even know what circular reasoning is. *sigh* I rest my case.
Sorry to hear that. But I am afraid unbelievers will always have problems.
You misunderstood. The problem is with the supported claims (including yours). The receiver of this claim, whether it be believers, non-believers, or noble metals, is irrelevant to the validity (or lack of) of the claim itself.
Jesus said preach the gospel to every creature, not only if you are a superman in believing every jot and tittle. So I guess He doesn't really heed you either. Perhaps you ougta try heeding Him!
I don't see the relevance of this point. Is this cannon fodder?
So what? You saying it's all good and helpful? Porn, air pollution, war? There is both good and evil.
Which of the following is evil: a butcher knife, or the murderer who killed 29 individuals with it?
Similarly, which of the following is evil: a nuclear warhead, or the politician who exploded it over an enemy city, killing millions?
And exactly HOW is porn scientific? You seem to classify all items you view immoral as scientific in nature.
Your arguments astound me.
Gee, this is all news to me, only the physical exists, and is real, or important. By the way, do you have a brain? Of course, or you could not write. Do you have thoughts? Can you prove it to me physically? Are they all good thoughts? Could these thoughts be influenced in any way by forces you can not touch? Did you ever love anyone, say a mother? Can you touch love? Is it real?
Well no. Science is not stating that only the physical exist. It merely dismisses metaphysical items as unsupported by physical evidence (which is quite natural, otherwise it won't be "metaphysical" now, would it?). Science is not concerned with importance, that's a subjective concept.
As for your example, yes I believe I have a brain (though I've never seen it). If you want me to prove it to you, I guess you can ask medical surgeons to slice open my head and take a peek. Either way you would agree that my claim (that I have a brain) is falsifiable.
Thoughts? If you define thoughts as changes in neural activities that lead to changes in behaviours, then there is ample evidence to suggest the existence of thoughts.
EEGs changes between relaxed and intense concentration, blood sugar usage in the brain during different activities, as well as psychological disorders which affects the process of coherent thoughts are all evidence of "thoughts". It is abstract and intangible, but it is still a physical phenomenon, so we expect to find physical evidence in support for its existence.
It may seem blasphemous to you, but scientific (or psychological, to be precise) theories have been formulated to explain love as a by-product of environmental stimulus/biological responses associations and biochemical (hormonal) factors. Much attention has focused on the the phenomena of physical attraction, and it is unsure if more intimate elements of human romantic relationships may be revealed by future research.
And so you see, your opinion appears to be based upon a foundation of knowledge that is hopelessly lacking in the scientific department. If you want to debate some more on this, please read up on the current theories and definition/limitations of science. At this point in time, your "theory" is laughably inadequate.
Patiently awaiting your reply.

"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

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wj
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Message 104 of 230 (119205)
06-27-2004 7:50 AM
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06-27-2004 2:22 AM


Re: post 88
Well Arky, time to put some meat on the bones of your fantasy. When did the physical world and the "spirit world" split? When did the spiritual light suddenly turn into physical light?

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Parsimonious_Razor
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Message 105 of 230 (119278)
06-27-2004 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by simple
06-26-2004 3:31 PM


Re: How does the sky stay lit?
In a purely philosophical perspective I think you might trap yourself with solving the problem thus. You are saying that in the spirit world there was no "space" or "time" to be a constraint on the travel of light, right? Suddenly there was the seperation from the spiritual and suddenly there was space and time constraints that put a limit on how fast something could travel. Now, if the spritual light is leaving a trail of physical light you have a problem, the physical light takes a billion years to get hear, the spiritual light is here instantanously. So there is still a prolonged period of black out. Unless you want to say that the "physical light" was also traveling in the spritual world and was allready here after the seperation. So the physical light would have to be present in the spritual world and unaffected by any physcial limitations. But you still have a black out period, light is not like water out of a hose, a continious stream. Think of it more like a serious of burst, once the physical limitations are in place there is going to be a time where we run out of "burst" that were traveling in the spritual world and are left with blackness.

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