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like god
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Message 1 of 18 (98838)
04-09-2004 1:04 AM


I don't know if this will make the forum or end up in misc., but here is an interesting teaching and would like some feedback as I am meeting with my pastor next week to discuss the implications for the church.
The name Jehovah comes from God whoose proper name in Hebrew is, YHWY. Since the Hebrews realized that a sin against God and especially his name could result in death, they apparently decided to transcribe His name with the vowel points in addonai (lord).
The result was yahoway. Since the y sounds like j and the w sounds like v, the result is Jehovah. Jehovah is a trascription error:
http://www.familybible.org/Teaching/Messianic/Jehovah.htm
But when the word is spoken the name in Hebrew sounds like hovah since there is no j in the hebrew language. And here is the definition of hovah:
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
Do Christians call on the god of desctruction when they sing and praise in the name of Jehovah?

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Message 2 of 18 (98844)
04-09-2004 1:20 AM
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04-09-2004 1:04 AM


WOW!
That is very tantalizing. Though as far as I remember, the earliest refrences to YHWY date back to the summarian wind god. I belive http://www.religioustollerance.org has an article on this somewhere.

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Message 3 of 18 (98889)
04-09-2004 9:49 AM
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04-09-2004 1:20 AM


I tried your link and couldn't find anything.
All gods point to Ya, but He most likely wants us to credit the right form of the name to the great I am of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob so that we are in line with the blessing from Yashua (Jesus).
Yaro, I saw one of your other threads and didn't read to the end to see the resolve on your split personality. And your picture does seem to lack some fig leaves to the neck line.

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Message 4 of 18 (98981)
04-09-2004 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by like god
04-09-2004 9:49 AM


Hey Like God,
I found this entry in the wikipedia:
Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia
I was thinking of EL. Aprently the tetragramaton is related to a Hebrew word for "to be".
Here is a quote:
The most important name of God in Judaism is the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter name of God. This name is first mentioned in the book of Genesis and is usually translated as 'the Lord'. Because Jews for quite a long period of time considered it sinful to pronounce, the correct pronunciation of this name was forgotten -- the original Hebrew texts only included consonants. Modern scholars conjecture that it was pronounced "Yahweh". The Hebrew letters are named Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, and if your browser supports a Hebrew font it is written thus: יהוה (Note that Hebrew is written from right to left, rather than left to right as in English). In English it is written as YHVH.
In appearance, YHVH is the third person singular imperfect of the verb "to be", meaning, therefore, "God is," or "God will be," or, perhaps, "God lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Exodus 3:14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person "I am". The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought.
El was the wind god.
The religious history in that area is, not surprisingly, very closely knit. There is much borrowing in ideas, gods, philosphies, and theologies.
It's actually quite a fascinating subject. Infact, the article I was thinking of on religious tolerance had to do with Zoroaster and the ancient Hebrews. And how the idea of rewards for being "good" could be found in an afterlife.
It's very interesting stuff, and I thank you for opening this thread. Let us hope that more people lend comment
And your picture does seem to lack some fig leaves to the neck line.
I don't get it?

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like god
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Message 5 of 18 (98986)
04-09-2004 9:04 PM


I don't get it?
It looks like you are not wearing any clothes in your picture. It looks like you are naked, but that the crop prevents us from seeing you. Adam and Eve covered themselves from their nakedness...
We can be assured that YHWY will fix any issues regarding His name:
EZEK 36:20-
And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, 'These are the LORD 's people, and yet they had to leave his land.' 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.
22 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD , declares the Sovereign LORD , when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.
Note the definition of chalal {khaw-lal'}
"profane" = 1) to profane, defile, pollute, desecrate, begin
seems to line up with calling Him Jehovah the God of destruction. The part I find interesting is that He knew the Israelite scribes would have a problem with translating the Holy name that was supposed to protect those from using His name in Vain.
Only an omniscent being could have seen that one coming! This would also be yet another sign that we are in the end times as a post like this will no doubt change the language of a few believers! And maybe a song or two.

  
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Message 6 of 18 (98990)
04-09-2004 9:25 PM
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04-09-2004 8:21 PM


Dear Yaro;
Here is a very good link on the name "Jehovah".
http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/article_02.htm
Jehovah is in english, the name of God.

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Message 7 of 18 (98997)
04-09-2004 9:45 PM
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04-09-2004 9:25 PM


Here is a very good link on the name "Jehovah".
http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/article_02.htm
Jehovah is in english, the name of God.
That's correct. I did an extensive thread on the name of God several months ago and this was pretty much my position. The name Jehovah/YHWH is in the OT about 6000 times which indicates it is the correct proper name of God. If God had not wanted it spoken, he'd have said so, imo.
The chickens are coming home to roost on misstranslating the name Lord/Adonai with the emergence of the god Allah coming so much in focus. They are not one and the same as I showed to be the case in the thread. Yhat's why I use the old 1901 American Standard Bible. It has the name properly translated all 6000 or so times as it should be. I don't know whether it's possible to bring forward that thread or not. I didn't get anything on search.

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Message 8 of 18 (99088)
04-10-2004 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by like god
04-09-2004 1:04 AM


Jehovah comes to us via the german, there are no vowels in the original hebrew which means the four consonants could have any vowel in any combination in between the letters.
In any case, Jehovah is a pictoral name/word. If you could picture something that wants to burst forth; then thats what Jehovah means: Wanting to burst forth.
Interestingly enough, the name Joshua is derived from Jehovah, and the greek cognate for Joshua is Jesus.
Christ means deliverer.
God named His Son after Himself.
The literal meaning of Jesus Christ is : "Wanting to burst forth with deliverance".
Source: Dr. Gene Scott

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like god
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Message 9 of 18 (99097)
04-10-2004 1:59 PM


YHWY is the great I am. His name is important to him as my post above. It has been polluted and He will come to fix it. Ezekial 36 is the Chapter before Armageddon. His son is Yoshua (Jesus) the savior of Ya, the short name for YHWY.
The critical point is that if we are in the time when He will reveal His name for His name's sake then we ought to hear these things and fall into obedience. And we should be baptizing in the name of Yoshua as it is written in the Word. Let Addonai by Addonai and fulfill His glory by bringing the chruch together. I just want to confirm that if I am hearing the Holy Spirit to speak the Great One's name that I hop to it.

  
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Message 10 of 18 (109742)
05-21-2004 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Yaro
04-09-2004 8:21 PM


quote:
El was the wind god.
"el" is also probably a derivative of "elohyim" which the word most commonly translated as "god." elohyim is actually plural.

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Message 11 of 18 (115181)
06-14-2004 8:55 PM


Elohim is the plural of the word El wich quite simply means god--it is the root word also of both the Arabic Allah and Aramic (Jesus' language)Alahu. YHWH or YHVH was only used by priests and scribes while common people even today use Elohim in modern Hebrew. Modern Christians and Jews are essentially worshipping the ancient Israelite sky god.
In ancient times (and you can even see this in early scripture) the Israelites only thought of Elohim or YHWH as their own particular tribal deity--hence "Thou shall not have any other God before me..." It was only in later times--during the exiles in Babylon and Assyria that Hebrews began to view their Elohim/YHWH as a universal God.

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Message 12 of 18 (115188)
06-14-2004 9:23 PM
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06-14-2004 8:55 PM


Wrong.
God took the Israelites out of the land of Egypt with a big show in order that they knew he was God. And look at all the false gods they worshipped (Egyptians). The Commandment was there to show that they shouldn't worship false gods, as in Egypt, the Israelites would have been exposed to false gods already created by Egyptians. So I'm afraid the Commandment doesn't prove your case.
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Message 13 of 18 (115207)
06-14-2004 10:55 PM
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06-14-2004 8:55 PM


What nonsense !
In other words, everyone is wrong, we are all worshipping a phony God because Mex disregards the entire O.T. identification of "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
A rose by any other name is still a rose.

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Message 14 of 18 (115269)
06-15-2004 3:06 AM


I have read the entire O.T from beginning to end and have taken into account that it wasn't all written at the same time or in the same place. It was written over a period of hundreds of years by many different authors with many different agendas. As to the references to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob there is no non-Biblical evidence what so ever that those men even existed. For all we know the Israelites invented them to make it seem their tribe was older than it really was. A large portion of the Bible was written to support the fledging Kingdom of Israel's claim on the land of Canaan.
It is a cliche that history is written by the victors. Imagine if the Caanites had defeated the Israelite invaders. We'd be having this same discussion but the deity in question would be Baal instead of Elohim.

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Message 15 of 18 (119252)
06-27-2004 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by MexicanHotChocolate
06-15-2004 3:06 AM


Hi Mex,
You can probably find this book in a local library: THE BIBLE UNEARTHED.
The latest archeology is showing that the Iraelites and Judeans were Caanites. There is no evidence that they invaded from anywhere. The stories in the Pentauch were written from a number of earlier sources.
The book is well written and full of data.
peace,
lfen

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