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Ricka Inactive Member |
quote: Did you replace this persons username with 'sheep'?, as often as you have chastised others for changing what should not be changed, including YOUR own name, I do not see where YOU have been charged with authority to do the same. It is only an observation based on your very words that I submit.
quote: And there is problem one. You think.I know. Time and again I know your infamy.Time and again I know you do not answer the inquiries. Yet time and again you claim you do. Verily, I say to you... Oh, what a tangled web we weave,..
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Jessie,
3. a. A person regarded as timid, weak, or submissive. b. One who is easily swayed or led. My username is my name. As to your first question. I thought that was obvious. I am submissive to the Word of God.But since you seem to understand Zsafira better than others then maybe you can answer some of the inquiries I have put forth. Since I have asked several times for clarification, that particular post I am aware after the fact that it was not him that changed it. For that I do apologize. I am human and as such, am imperfect. I didnt edit it though because to do so now would only confuse someone else reading along. I find it strange though, that you have waited so long to post. Since it is obvious that you understand Zsafira, since I am trying to understand him as well, I would think if someone could clarify something, they would, instead of simply continuing on in a discourse that involves only one. Although, I thank you for posting now to correct me. And here I was starting to think I was the only one talking to him. So Jessie, is that your name. Or did I miss something here. I have been accused of being slow before (wouldnt be surprised if I missed it again) Thank you for the response, and yes, I had already noted my mistake. But my inquiries still stand. Blessings.
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Jessie,
I am simply a handmaid of the Lord. I too listen, that is precisely why I question Zsafira. For I see things differently then, that is why I ask for clarification of his posts. I do not ask for clarification of him, but of his post. That is why I ask him to explain.
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Jessie,
I am working today, although I do have access to the web. I usually do not access it, as my job is very demanding. I am only doing so because my usual contact with Zsafira is once a week (around that) and I was surprised to hear from somebody...anybody besides him. Patience? I got tons. And tons to spare. Have a wonderful day.
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Quote by Zsafira...
quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sound of a letter-Gemmel could never be known by the Today's pharizees who would pronounce the VERY ORIGINAL SOUND in vain. That's why the ETERNAL HIGHER has separated the letter, nd Gehaveh has reserved it for those who got His Love -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is YOUR proof/evidence? Sorry, but you still havent shown your proof. I'd especially like this part to be explained...
quote: But basically, the whole thing. You cant claim that you've already explained this to me because this (what you typed as an answer) is not proof.I am sorry, maybe it is me. Maybe someone can explain it to me other than Saphira. I cannot figure out how what she typed can be shown as 'proof', when it seems to be more of opinion. Anyone? P.S. when doing research to answer your question this was told to me.quote: quote: This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-07-2004 09:35 AM
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Ricka Inactive Member |
I dont know if I should laugh, cry or run for the hills (all 7 of them)
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Oh, and btw. It isnt seven hills, its seven mountains.
If one should quote scripture then quote it rightly. She sits on seven mountains. Gee, I guess that would exclude the Vatican. Since it(the Vicious Vulgatha Vatikkann)also is clear on the other side of Rome. All the while I sit here wondering why I am defending the Catholic Church? Things that make you go hmm.
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quote: This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-07-2004 05:44 PM
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quote: I shall post later.the ending. This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-07-2004 05:48 PM
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no need to. just found too many similarities there. Feel free to finish the story, if you'd like.
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Jessie,
In all honesty, do you even own a Catholic Encyclopedia? You seem to fall into the same trap as so many others I have encountered. I wonder if you ever studied Mormonism or J.W. ism.? Some of the things spoken hear seem to ring to that tone. I mean no harm here, only that if you wish to state your beliefs, please have some truth to them.I also wonder why Saphira (Acts 5) chose that name? I found it odd. This is interesting also. I hope that you will read it. Sadly though, I doubt you will... Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of HarlotsNow, what does Revelation say about the Great Whore? Look at the following verses: "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers." "For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot." "They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed." "But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them."OK, so I tricked you. Those verses aren't from Revelation; they are Isaiah 1:21, Jeremiah 2:20, Jeremiah 3:1-3, and Ezekiel 16:15-18 respectively. And the identity of the harlot? It is Jerusalem. And this is really what Revelation says about the Whore: Revelation 17:15-18And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. and the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. "Great city"? Which city is "the great city"? Revelation 11:8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.. Now, was Jesus Christ crucified in Rome -- or in Jerusalem? But -- but -- it says stuff like "jewels" and "golden cup" and "scarlet" and "purple" -- that's just gotta be the "Romish Church"! Well, considering that Catholicism is the Old Covenant fulfilled, it shouldn't be too surprising to find in it liturgical colors, vestments, and implements that are partly rooted in the Old Testament (see Exodus 28). But the Jerusalem Temple is undoubtedly what Revelation is referring to, and Flavius Josephus left us writings that tell us what the Jerusalem Temple looked like at the time of its destruction by pagan Rome in A.D. 70. Here are a few tidbits: The holiest part of the Temple: "Its front was covered with gold all over... But that gate which was at this end of the first part of the house was, as we have already observed, all over covered with gold, as was its whole wall about it; it had also golden vines above it, from which clusters of grapes hung as tall as a man's height. But then this house... had golden doors of fifty-five cubits altitude, and sixteen in breadth; but before these doors there was a veil of equal largeness with the doors. It was a Babylonian curtain, embroidered with blue, and fine linen, and scarlet, and purple, and of a contexture that was truly wonderful." The exterior of the Temple: "...the outward face of the temple in its front wanted nothing that was likely to surprise either men's minds or their eyes; for it was covered all over with plates of gold of great weight, and, at the first rising of the sun, reflected back a very fiery splendor, and made those who forced themselves to look upon it to turn their eyes away, just as they would have done at the sun's own rays." The priests' vestments: "But that girdle that tied the garment to the breast was embroidered with five rows of various colors, of gold, and purple, and scarlet, as also of fine linen and blue, with which colors we told you before the veils of the temple were embroidered also. The like embroidery was upon the ephod; but the quantity of gold therein was greater. Its figure was that of a stomacher for the breast. There were upon it two golden buttons like small shields, which buttoned the ephod to the garment; in these buttons were enclosed two very large and very excellent sardonyxes, having the names of the tribes of that nation engraved upon them: on the other part there hung twelve stones, three in a row one way, and four in the other; a sardius, a topaz, and an emerald; a carbuncle, a jasper, and a sapphire; an agate, an amethyst, and a ligure; an onyx, a beryl, and a chrysolite; upon every one of which was again engraved one of the forementioned names of the tribes."You can read the entire 5th Chapter of the 5th Book of Josephus' War here. Exodus 28:36-38 tells us that the Temple High Priest was to have worn on his forehead an insignia: " And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD. And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be. And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD." But Jerusalem apostasized and failed to recognize and then killed (with Roman power) the Messiah of prophecy. St. John the Divine tells us what "the woman," Jerusalem, came to have upon her forehead: "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Revelation 17:5) But -- but -- it says something about seven mountains! Glad you noticed. Because: even if "the Seven Mountains" are a reference to Rome (see "The Beasts" below) -- which some of the Church Fathers, thinking of godless Rome, thought -- that city, with its Caesar-gods, was thoroughly pagan at the time and certainly part of cruel, an evil empire. The Jews of Jerusalem (the Mother of Harlots) used Rome ("rides the beast") all throughout the New Testament, using Roman power to kill the Messiah and try to destroy the People of God, the Church (see the entire Book of Acts, or read a few sample verses -- will open in small new browser window);even though they're usually lumped together and "Rome" is used as shorthand for the Roman Catholic Church, even by Catholics, Vatican City is its own city state and isn't "Rome"; Rome isn't built on seven mountains, anyway; it's built on seven hills, as are Constaninople, Edinburgh, San Francisco, and Cincinnati, for that matter. Mountains are big, hills are small. There are two separate words for them and Scripture is familiar with both (see Luke 3:5 and Luke 23:30). Rome's seven hills are Palatine, Aventine, Capitoline, Quarinal, Viminal, Esquiline and Caelian (hey, how come Vatican Hill is never listed?). Jerusalem, however, is built on seven mountains: Mt. Goath, Mt. Gareb, Mt. Acra, Mt. Bezetha, Mt. Zion, Mt. Ophel, and Mt. Moriah. There are even Psalms about them, "As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever." {Psalms 125:2) The BeastsAs said, the Beast from the waters, the one with the seven heads (Revelation 13:1) that represent seven kings (Revelation 17:10) is in all probability pagan Rome and seven of its emperors. Revelation 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." That sixth "king," the "one that is," was the infamous Nero (part of the "beast from the land"), a man who killed his own parents, brother, and aunt, who kicked his pregnant wife to death, who delighted in torture and homosexual rape, who used the burning bodies of Christians as "torches" at his garden parties and who commanded complete obedience. Wrote Apollinius of Tyana who lived in Nero's time: "In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen many, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. . . . And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet."It was Nero who began the persecution of Christians (undoubtedly at the instigation of his Jewish wife, Poppea) because they refused to participate in the "cult of the Caesars"; it was under him that Peter, Paul and a lot of Christians were martyred in Rome. After Nero's reign came the "Year of the Four Emperors," a crisis of succession that was resolved when Vespasian finally took the throne. To understand the bit in Revelation 13:3 about the healed fatal wound, pick up a history book and read about the wars in Rome between the reigns of Nero and Galba -- wars that almost brought the empire to its knees, and from which it recovered. And, yes, the numerical values of Nero's name in Hebrew equal 666 (and add up to "616" in a Hebrew to Latin transliteration -- a number that can actually be found in early manuscripts and the footnotes of some modern editions of the Bible). Nero and the other Roman emperors are the beast from the land. It was Titus who led the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple (under his father, Vespasian). He is known for the catastrophes that struck during his reign: the eruption of Vesuvius in A.D. 79, fires that swept Rome for three days, one of the worst epidemics of plague on record... He reigned for two years. Blessings. This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-18-2004 05:05 PM This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-18-2004 05:16 PM This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-18-2004 05:18 PM
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Ricka Inactive Member |
For you dear Saphira,
The Mark of the BeastThe "mark of the beast" is easily understood if one understands the command given by God to His People in Deuteronomy 6:4-8: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes."The Christian sign is that indelible mark given when we are sealed to the Holy Spirit, a mark made by the laying on of hands and signing a Cross with oil on the forehead (Catholics and Orthodox call this Sacrament "Confirmation" or "Chrismation." See Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6, Hebrews 1:9. The mark of the Beast is the "negative" of this sign of God, and it belonged to those who bowed down in idolatry to pagan emperors, those self-proclaimed gods. I personally dont know any current "emperors" who claim to be god.If you do, then I can understand all the ankst, in which case it would be justified. But to accuse is to judge, and we all know we arent supposed to do that now, are we? Let he without sin cast the first stone. Scripture must be read as the first Christians did. Otherwise you too fall into the same trap as others. Blessings. This message has been edited by Ricka, 06-18-2004 05:20 PM
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Ricka Inactive Member |
Jessie,
First of all, there is no need to shout, I can "hear" you fine,ha,ha. Sorry I havent posted sooner, business. But I have also been doing some research for you. I am sorry that you feel that way and I will pray for you.It is obvious that there is a great fear within you to avoid the truth, since you wish to learn things about Catholicism from a Non-catholic source. I have checked out your claim on 'the seven hills' and quite honestly Jessie, it is untrue. I spent weeks researching your response and weeks traveling to find out if in fact you were correct. You spent mere minutes answering my post, stating that you checked the encyclopedia offered by the Vatican. I would humbly ask that you provide that exact definition from the Vatican in a cut and paste form with the additional link, so that I can continue my investigation to your claim. If someone wants to know English, they go to an English teacher who loves English.If someone wants to know math, they go to a math teacher who loves math. If someone wants to know Catholic teachings, they need to go to a real Catholic source who loves the Catholic Church. If they do not, then they fear the truth. How can they be real Christians if they will not hear out what the Church says about the Church. How can they be real Christians if they only listen to rumor mongers who hate the Church. Simple logic, learn a subject from someone who loves the subject. I fear you are learning the subject from someone who hates the subject, and the truth.Since you claim that first, you read safiras post and then go and read Scripture, that would lead to that you are being taught. Then you claim that secondly you dont even need safira. Yet, I know that is wrong. I am willing to bet that you are in direct contact with this person, depending on this person for your spiritual strength and guidance. I also will bet that yes, you have received instruction from J.W.'s and Mormon's. Even though you claim you havent. I am not accusing, mind you. Simply stating a truth. This is then I fear that you are learning the subject from someone who hates the subject, and hates the truth. I find this person borrows heavily upon the Church's teachings, doctrines, and theologies and then turns around and distorts those teachings, doctrines and theologies to fit their specific needs, and claiming one doesnt need teachings, doctrines and theologies from religion.All the time claiming the Church is incorrect. The Church cannot be incorrect if this person is borrowing(and distorting) her very teachings. This may be my last post to you Jessie, my work does not give me time to post on message boards but this particular post has stayed with me and I felt it important to respond at some time. You may respond, but I think you may have thought that I have forgotten you. That is not possible. Also, you may email me if you wish a more direct communication. I found the below, I dont know why I saved it. But I am including it in my post. I thought it interesting.
[quote]"[S]inners may do penance for a set time, and according to the rules of discipline come to public confession, and by imposition of the hands of the bishop and clergy receive the right of Communion. [But now some] with their time [of penance] still unfulfilled . . . they are admitted to Communion, and their name is presented; and while the penitence is not yet performed, confession is not yet made, the hands of the bishop and clergy are not yet laid upon them, the Eucharist is given to them; although it is written, ‘Whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]" (Letters 9:2 [A.D. 253]).[/quote] This is what I have spent alot of time on, reading saphira posts and then studying Scripture, Church teachings, Doctrines, Theologies, all necessary to understand specifically what is being said (and not said.)Its been a very interesting trip actually. I will continue to pray for you.I hope you have had an enjoyable summer so far, with friends and family that you love you and love you in return. You deserve it. You have piqued my curiosity and have forced me to acknowledge Truth, and for that I am eternally grateful to you. For I have found that there is only one Truth. I am sure you are a most interesting person. And I hope to someday hear from you again. With many abundant Blessings. Ricka This message has been edited by Ricka, 08-04-2004 04:30 PM
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