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Author Topic:   Macroevolution: Its all around us...
nator
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Message 61 of 306 (205356)
05-05-2005 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by EZscience
05-05-2005 11:19 AM


quote:
Is your cat then a 'fishing cat', Prionailurus viverrinus ?
Ding ding ding!
Give the little lady a prize!!

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EZscience
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Message 62 of 306 (205401)
05-05-2005 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by nator
05-05-2005 4:59 PM


Great. Only I'm not female.
But that's OK.
For some reason I assumed you were male.
...until I read some comments about your posts.
EZS

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 63 of 306 (205437)
05-05-2005 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by EZscience
05-05-2005 7:51 PM


quote:
Great. Only I'm not female.
But that's OK.
I was pretty sure you were male, but that's how the saying goes.
I couldn't say, "Give the medium-sized male scientist a prize!".
That just would have been as cool.
quote:
For some reason I assumed you were male.
Yeah, that happens a lot around here.
Is it because I don't use lots of smileys?
quote:
...until I read some comments about your posts.
You can check out a picture of me here if you like.

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jar
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Message 64 of 306 (205439)
05-05-2005 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by nator
05-05-2005 10:39 PM


actually I think it's the Harley, Jackboots and whip that leads folk astray

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 65 of 306 (205450)
05-05-2005 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
05-05-2005 10:44 PM


What?!
Who told people I have a Harley?

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EZscience
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Message 66 of 306 (205523)
05-06-2005 7:05 AM
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05-05-2005 10:39 PM


Wow. I'm impressed.
Not only female, but 'dishy' as they say over in the UK.
Not what I expected for someone who appears to torment cats

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 67 of 306 (205582)
05-06-2005 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by EZscience
05-05-2005 2:22 PM


Re: A couple of questions
Thanks for clarifying this for me. Your post was very helpful.
Eres boricua? Cuando fue que estuvistes por mayaguez?

Viva Puerto Rico Libre. Colonialism is an international crime

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eclipse
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Message 68 of 306 (205620)
05-06-2005 2:04 PM


quote:
We'll see what he says if he ever returns
Fisrt of all I'm a she. Second, There are six different parts of evolution, two of which are macro-evolution and micro-evolution. The whole reason I brought this up was because it seemed that you were just a little confused on terms. It looked to me like you were talking about micro-evolution, which I agree with because it proven and observable, and calling it macro-evolution, which is not. Even evolutionists should agree with this. With the exception, of course, that some still believe the miller experiment (oxygen would have terimnated the experiment and as we all know living things cannot survive without oxygen so they didn't really come close to creating life) Along the lines of micro and macro, it would seem that creating a new fish wouldn't claim anything for macro-evolution unless it formed legs. Same with a new type of insect. Wouldn't that be micro-evolution because it is still an insect and not an arachnid. This is just a thought but I'm still not sure that two insects mating would improve the species any. If you have an example I would like to see it, on a non-critical level.(if there is such a thing)
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jar
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Message 69 of 306 (205633)
05-06-2005 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by eclipse
05-06-2005 2:04 PM


Only the classic creationists say there are six parts to evolution.
Yet another God of the Gaps prayer.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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EZscience
Member (Idle past 5176 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
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Message 70 of 306 (205643)
05-06-2005 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Itachi Uchiha
05-06-2005 11:55 AM


You are welcome.
It is refreshing to deal with honest curiosity.
So many seem to want to mount an attack on a post
before they fully understand it.
Yo estuve en Mayaguez en el ano 1996 por casi 8 meses.
Estaba estudiando plagas de citricultura ahi.
Chau

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EZscience
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Message 71 of 306 (205654)
05-06-2005 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by eclipse
05-06-2005 2:04 PM


eclipse writes:
...some still believe the miller experiment (oxygen would have terimnated the experiment and as we all know living things cannot survive without oxygen so they didn't really come close to creating life)
Actually, there are many forms of life that can live without oxygen. They are called 'anaerobes'. The whole point of the Miller experiment being conducted in the absence of oxygen is to replicate the primeval atmosphere that was devoid of oxygen. We didn't get an oxidative atmosphere until plant life became abundant and began producing oxygen (you have heard of photosynthesis ? )
I will return later to deal with some other issues raised in your post if I have time, but you really bear a burden of reponsability to read a bit more science before you jump into the deep end of the pool.
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eclipse
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Message 72 of 306 (205667)
05-06-2005 4:38 PM
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05-06-2005 3:55 PM


Anaerobic bacteria obtain oxygen from the food they eat

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eclipse
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Message 73 of 306 (205668)
05-06-2005 4:42 PM
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05-06-2005 2:58 PM


quote:
Only the classic creationists say there are six parts to evolution.
How many parts do you say there are

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days)
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 74 of 306 (205671)
05-06-2005 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by eclipse
05-06-2005 4:38 PM


Anaerobic bacteria obtain oxygen from the food they eat
No, no they don't. No more than you obtain cyanide from the food you eat.
Oxygen kills anaerobic bacteria. It's fatal to their biochemistry, so obviously, they don't need it to live.

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crashfrog
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Message 75 of 306 (205673)
05-06-2005 4:45 PM
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05-06-2005 4:42 PM


How many parts do you say there are
Two parts: Natural selection and random mutation.

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