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Author Topic:   A question for Athiests/Evolutionists. (re: How can one not belive in something greater than himself? et all)
nator
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Message 166 of 282 (163175)
11-25-2004 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by TheClashFan
11-21-2004 9:03 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
quote:
I think that some athiests on some level know that just beause they deny God, they can't be protected from the devil.
I think that some believers on some level know that just beause they have invented their God, they can't be protected from the reality of death.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2188 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 167 of 282 (163176)
11-25-2004 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by TheClashFan
11-21-2004 9:20 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
quote:
If you weren't intending on forcing me to love you, then sure, I would take the beating in order for you to show me that you love me.
Hmmm, Battered Women's Syndrome.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 168 of 282 (163185)
11-25-2004 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by TheClashFan
11-23-2004 8:44 PM


Re: Clash Fans thread synopsis
quote:
As for demons, one(as a Christian who belives in such things) can't go through life ignoring them. If you spread out your arms, you touch angels and demons fighting. They are unseen, but there none the less, so one must understand and be aware of demons in order to protect yourself against them.
What a frightening, drama-filled world you live in.
You sound like you have time-traveled in from medieval Europe during the Dark Ages.
There is a very good book your post reminded me of, and I reccommend it to you:
"The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark", by Carl Sagan.
Read more here

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nator
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Message 169 of 282 (163186)
11-25-2004 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by TheClashFan
11-24-2004 1:24 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
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I can see what you mean, though, but as a Christian, you can't simply belive in God and not beilve in the devil.
The devil is hardly mentioned in the Bible, and neither is hell.
It is modern Christianity which has given the devil and hell a much greater presence in the practice of the religion.
Having a Big Bad living in a terrible place is a great tool to keep people fearful and therefore more controllable.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 170 of 282 (163187)
11-25-2004 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by TheClashFan
11-24-2004 11:07 PM


Re: Survival is amazing?
quote:
No offense against women, but we do get scatter brained and forget to take things one at a time.
This is very true of boys as well.
Perhaps "Stupid Teenager Syndrome?"
FYI, between my husband and I, I am much more mentally organized and he is the scatterbrained one.
He's the professional scientist, though, so go figure.

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lfen
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Message 171 of 282 (163194)
11-25-2004 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by nator
11-25-2004 10:36 AM


Re: Survival is amazing?
FYI, between my husband and I, I am much more mentally organized and he is the scatterbrained one.
He's the professional scientist, though, so go figure.
Is that the "absented minded professor" syndrome? A person so caught up in their thinking about the subject that is of central importance to them that they don't pay attention to the mundance details of their lives such as if their socks match or where they sat their coffee cup down.

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 172 of 282 (163197)
11-25-2004 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by nator
11-25-2004 8:50 AM


Re: It's a matter of choice
schrafinator writes:
Mmmm, not exactly.
I can see no other rational alternative.
It all comes down to what is rational to you and what is rational to me.

Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova

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ramoss
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Message 173 of 282 (163213)
11-25-2004 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by TheClashFan
11-24-2004 1:24 PM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
Quite. There is not a demon in your hand. Therefore, you can not deny it, since it doesn't exist.
To the atheist, the demon in your hand and god are the SAME THING.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 174 of 282 (163286)
11-26-2004 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by lfen
11-25-2004 11:05 AM


Re: Survival is amazing?
quote:
Is that the "absented minded professor" syndrome? A person so caught up in their thinking about the subject that is of central importance to them that they don't pay attention to the mundance details of their lives such as if their socks match or where they sat their coffee cup down.
I think it has more to do with worry and stress making his thinking less clear about the mundane things.
He is defending in February, you see...

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nator
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Message 175 of 282 (163287)
11-26-2004 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Itachi Uchiha
11-25-2004 11:14 AM


Re: It's a matter of choice
quote:
It all comes down to what is rational to you and what is rational to me.
Well, no, because "what is rational" about the facts of the nature of the universe can be objectively agreed upon based upon evidence.
What is rational is not arbitrary or determined by what one wants it to be.

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TheClashFan
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Message 176 of 282 (163365)
11-26-2004 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by ramoss
11-25-2004 11:57 AM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
I can accept that view of it, but I can't deny it's existance because it exists, at least to my view. Thank you for your answer, however.

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TheClashFan
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Message 177 of 282 (163366)
11-26-2004 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by nator
11-25-2004 10:36 AM


Re: Survival is amazing?
Lol, yes, I'll revise my SGS to SHS, stupid human syndrome.

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TheClashFan
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Message 178 of 282 (163367)
11-26-2004 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by nator
11-25-2004 10:29 AM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
Actuaully, there are twelve on hell, and twenty two on the devil, not counting demons, judgement, and punishment. I do not speak of demons and the devil without personal experiance and hearing the experiances of my elders dealing with them. It is some what easy to see the devil and his work throughout the world.

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TheClashFan
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Message 179 of 282 (163369)
11-26-2004 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by nator
11-25-2004 10:21 AM


Re: Clash Fans thread synopsis
Very well. My mum is going to read it first, however, and see if it's something I would be able to read.

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TheClashFan
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Message 180 of 282 (163370)
11-26-2004 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by nator
11-25-2004 9:54 AM


Re: Any omnipotent being allows evil to exsit
That is not what I'm saying. Okay, in lamance terms, humans are probley to most spiritually blind and deaf creatures in the universe. We, in our quests for normality and science, fail to recognize God's attempts to communicate with us. He does speak to us, but we are to stupid to hear Him. So, it seems to me, that He allowed the devil to get big headed and leave Heaven, in order to show us that He loves us.

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