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frako
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Message 31 of 77 (623009)
07-07-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
07-07-2011 5:02 PM


Re: Rights
Well, shot, hung or burned might be considered exciting violence,
So you do have limitations on free speech, just only on violence not including instilling fear. Well at least as fare as we know because of the way your judicial system works a judge at one point in history could have ruled instilling fear as braking the law.
Still haven't checked our wording of the law it could be similar but the Australian law could bring the matter to trial if you find an atheist judge

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jar
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Message 32 of 77 (623011)
07-07-2011 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by frako
07-07-2011 6:04 PM


Re: Rights
Quote mining don't work regardless of who is doing it.
What I actually said was "Well, shot, hung or burned might be considered exciting violence, but it would certainly be unlikely to end in a conviction."
Of course I should have said inciting, but it still works.
Of all speech that needs and must be protected, hate speech tops the list.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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hooah212002
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Message 33 of 77 (623014)
07-07-2011 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by GDR
07-07-2011 1:18 PM


Re: Rights
What a lovely false dichotomy your invisble homie has set up for you.
Fuck being a good person: you're going to suffer for eternity just because you didn't believe the whackos I sent to tell you about me and I didn't provide ANY evidence for my existence.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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hooah212002
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Message 34 of 77 (623015)
07-07-2011 6:38 PM
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07-07-2011 6:22 PM


Re: Rights
Of all speech that needs and must be protected, hate speech tops the list.
How do you figure?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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jar
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Message 35 of 77 (623017)
07-07-2011 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by hooah212002
07-07-2011 6:38 PM


Re: Rights
Speech everyone agrees on does not need protection. It is the very speech we most disagree with that needs protection.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 36 of 77 (623019)
07-07-2011 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by hooah212002
07-07-2011 6:34 PM


Re: Rights
hooah212002 writes:
being a good person: you're going to suffer for eternity just because you didn't believe the whackos I sent to tell you about me and I didn't provide ANY evidence for my existence.
That is exactly what it doesn't say.

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hooah212002
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Message 37 of 77 (623020)
07-07-2011 6:45 PM
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07-07-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Rights
Hate speech can hardly be simply classified as "speech we disagree with". You honestly think the KKK should have a right to have protests and say "It is my opinion that ALL FUCKING NIGGERS MUST FUCKING DIE" knowing full well the individuals that attend these sorts of rallys (shotgun toting rednecks with a penchant for hating black people).

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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frako
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Message 38 of 77 (623021)
07-07-2011 6:47 PM
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07-07-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Rights
Speech everyone agrees on does not need protection. It is the very speech we most disagree with that needs protection.
U actually have a point
But dose it apply to hate speach like kill all whites, Jews, atheists, Christians ....
I dont think that kind of speech needs protection.

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hooah212002
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Message 39 of 77 (623022)
07-07-2011 6:49 PM
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07-07-2011 6:45 PM


Re: Rights
It's what YOU implied.....

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 40 of 77 (623023)
07-07-2011 6:52 PM
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07-07-2011 6:34 PM


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frako
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Message 41 of 77 (623121)
07-08-2011 8:35 AM


Well clearly the tolerance of multi culturism is quite low in the US

  
ScientificBob
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Message 42 of 77 (623123)
07-08-2011 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by frako
07-07-2011 4:31 PM


Re: Rights
The difference i think is personal gain when you threaten your child you are protecting your other child when the state threatens us with jail they protect other peoples rights when the curch tells you you will go to hell it protects its income.
I'ld disagree with that. This is just our view on it as non-believers. I think it's safe to assume that the people that actually believe this stuff say such things because they genuinly care. In their view, they are trying to protect the people they "threaten".
It seems like you are implying that there is some sort of conspiracy among church leaders to make people believe a 2000 year old fairy tale only to make money. I think such blanket statements are pretty counter-productive.
And to get this back on topic, I think that's also one of the reasons why the present situation will not be sustainable... because people ACTUALLY believe this stuff. It's just bound to hit a wall at some point. And the more radical the beliefs, the sooner a wall will be hit.

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frako
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Message 43 of 77 (623127)
07-08-2011 9:11 AM
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07-08-2011 8:54 AM


Re: Rights
It seems like you are implying that there is some sort of conspiracy among church leaders to make people believe a 2000 year old fairy tale only to make money. I think such blanket statements are pretty counter-productive.
The income derived from these oblations reached the come of 43.219 billion in 2000, with an increase of roughly 2 billion from the figure for 1999. To this wave of solidarity were united the offers from religious institutes as well as foundations, associations, Catholic entities, and the faithful, from which was received a sum of 78.417 billion.
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Message 44 of 77 (623144)
07-08-2011 10:44 AM
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07-08-2011 9:11 AM


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jar
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Message 45 of 77 (623147)
07-08-2011 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by hooah212002
07-07-2011 6:45 PM


Re: Rights
That is exactly the kind of speech that needs protection.
I disagree with it, but I will also support their right to say it.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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