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mike the wiz
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Message 46 of 54 (110108)
05-24-2004 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by crashfrog
05-24-2004 6:41 AM


If your God believes that murdering 3 million Jews isn't measurably worse than stealing a loaf of bread to feed a starving child, then your God cannot be a moral entity by any standard.
Even the Highpriests are the shewbread. Do not heed the newbie, there is ofcourse a major difference between stealing a loaf of bread to fill an empty belly, and murdering 3 million jews.
newbie wrote a mind boggler writes:
is being responsible for the murder of an entire race worse than lying to your spouse? i don't think so.
Wow, that's probably the most silly statement I've heard for a while.
If I lie to my spouse saying, "No I didn't clean the bathroom" to humble myself, then I am equal to a murderer??? Logic exits via the wormhole!
crashfrog retorting writes:
Ill-considered analogy on your part: there's obviously shades of light and dark - a continuum of right and wrong.
I think she mixes the source. You see, you can do a small bad thing or a big bad thing, she is right about the source being both bad but that doesn't make the deeds equal.
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Dr Jack
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Message 47 of 54 (110110)
05-24-2004 9:54 AM
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05-24-2004 6:41 AM


If your God believes that murdering 3 million Jews isn't measurably worse than stealing a loaf of bread to feed a starving child, then your God cannot be a moral entity by any standard.
Actually, according the Bible, it's worse that that. Dissing the Holy Spirit is measurably worse than killing 3 million Jews (except wasn't it six? And, technically, it wasn't murder - it was war crimes).

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MarkAustin
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Message 48 of 54 (110111)
05-24-2004 9:57 AM
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05-24-2004 9:32 AM


quote:
What I am saying is that killing millions of people does NOT meet the definition of christian.
This is the logical fallacy of the No True Scotsman. What you are doing is argument by definition - and making your definition exclude any cases contrary to your argument.

For Whigs admit no force but argument.

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Message 49 of 54 (110120)
05-24-2004 10:39 AM
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05-24-2004 9:57 AM


Topic Topic
How did this get so far off topic??
Would you like to get it back in line. There is a thread for this.
What is a True Christian?

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mike the wiz
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Message 50 of 54 (110131)
05-24-2004 11:50 AM
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05-24-2004 9:57 AM


No. I didn't make the definition, as you can see above( post#34), my definition was taken from the dictionary.
Is it wrong to say "he isn't a footballer" if a footballer is one who plays ball (definition) - and he's never touched a ball?
I have not used "no true scotsman". I am arguing what the dictionary says and looking at the NT for help aswell. I also call myself christian, yet I will not find out if I have "played ball" untill judgement.
"No true scotsman" is a fallacy because the definition is dodgy, it doesn't fully describe a true scotsman, however, I take my definitions from the dictionary, and the last one clearly rules out murder. Do you think I invented the definition and therefore invented dictionary.com?
Please answer this post in the designated place AdminNed has given! I will make no more comments here!
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 51 of 54 (110137)
05-24-2004 12:00 PM
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05-24-2004 9:32 AM


naturally not.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 52 of 54 (110138)
05-24-2004 12:04 PM
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05-24-2004 9:38 AM


the point isn't that they are equal, really. the point is that they are both bad. that is all that matters. is killing people bad? yes. is lying bad? yes. they are both bad. therefore they both deserve punishment. according to the fundies there is only one punishement.
i'm really playing devil's advocate here because my personal opinions are somewhat divergent from this (though i think lying to someone you love is about the worst thing ever... if you haven't got honesty, what have you got? it was a bad example. sorry.) but then, as i figured i broke from my lurking way too soon and got yelled at for being 'a stupid n00b'. whichever.

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mike the wiz
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Message 53 of 54 (110140)
05-24-2004 12:07 PM
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05-24-2004 12:04 PM


Nah - it's okay, Your not a noob, whatever that is. (definition please) I will now respond to your post in "What's a true Christian" topic.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 54 of 54 (110152)
05-24-2004 12:50 PM
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05-24-2004 12:07 PM


n00b=noob=newb=newbie.
i never argued that hitler demonstrated christian values. it's more a statement (as i said) of how bad is merely bad.
i dunno. i made that post in the midst of procrastinating homework and not sleeping. i'm not altogether sure of what i was thinking. i need more sleep.

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