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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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1) In regards to the term Christian who gets to categorize them? What's that saying? Oh yea: "judge not lest ye be judged". Didn't some jesus dude say that? Anyways...My opinion is that you categorize yourself if you so choose. Who are you to categorize others?
Can non Christians categorize Christians? If you claim to be christian, you're christian. That's about as far as I go when actually categorizing you lot. If you have beliefs contra to what it usually means to be a christian, I may call you a goofy christian or a christian unlike any others I've encountered.
In short, what is the standard that can or should be used from which to properly categorize another group unlike ones own? The standard of: don't categorize people? You've crossed the border from "categorizing" into discriminating and baseless judging on a number of points in this thread alone.
My argument is that the Word of God is the standard by which to compare. And that makes you different from every other religious person.....how? Fred and Shirley Phelps say the exact same thing. You're dangerously similar to them. It's your translation of it that is under question here.
in regards to your accusation as to untruth and "miscategorization", I ask you again...according to whose standard? The standard of knowing that words or phrases are factually incorrect. There need not be some "standard" from which to say: "yep, that is a miscategorization and an untruth". That is unless your deity of choice is a trickster and you admit this."Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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I see no point in continuing this thread.
After 120 posts, Phat has demonstrated he has the mindset EXACTLY equivalent to a three-year-old child who believes in the Easter Bunny, or a religious terrorists who would kill innocent women and children. There is no argument from logic that will penetrate his concrete brain. And there is no plea from morality and ethics that would sway his heart. IMO, Phat's fragile life would be irreparably crushed if he would even momentarily consider the forum's posts. He has willfully chosen to go to his grave believing he has a PERSONAL relationship with a mythical, invisible being riding around in the clouds. He is not alone. Half(?) the people in america have similar beliefs. Is it any wonder america has so much violence and retardation. As I mentioned previously, there are COUNTLESS ridiculous pronouncements from god in Deuteronomy and Leviticus he could latch on to. Yet Phat specifically chose the gay-card, PUBLIC intervention in regards to another person's genitals! That would suggest to any psychology-101-student that Phat has inner demons he cannot himself exorcise. At this point, I would also wonder if Phat's upbringing was also toxic. Phat, get thee to a first-rate therapist, you got a long difficult road in front of you.
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Dude, that pic is a load of horseshit. You shouldn't post that again.
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After 120 posts, Phat has demonstrated he has the mindset EXACTLY equivalent to a three-year-old child who believes in the Easter Bunny, or a religious terrorists who would kill innocent women and children. Oh look, you're posting hyperbolic nonsense again!
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7
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My argument is that the Word of God is the standard by which to compare. You say that like it somehow makes you not a bigot. It doesn't. It's entirely possible for the "Word of God" or your interpretation thereof to be completely bigoted. Here's the thing, Phat - if you see anything remotely wrong with being homosexual as opposed to heterosexual, you're a bigot. Pure and simple. Same as if you considered there to be anything remotely wrong with being black as opposed to being white. You'd be a bigot then, too. If you think your responsibility as a "role model" is to discourage homosexual relationships, you're a bigot. If you think your responsibility as a "role mode" is to discourage interracial relationships, you're a bigot. If you think that the "Word of God" compels you to do any of the above...you're still a bigot. None of your hand-waving or navel gazing or rationalizing has made even a little bit of difference. What makes you a bigot is very simple: you believe that some superficial classes of people are superior to others. You believe that heterosexual relationships are superior to homosexual ones. The distinction for those classes is without any actual basis beyond "my religion tells me so." You cannot point to an actual reason, like "children raised by gays are horribly damaged" or "homosexual relationships are toxic." Instead, what actually happens is that when people act on beliefs like yours, they damage others, by considering them to be "less" on the simple basis of their sexual orientation. You damage their self-esteem. You treat them like an enemy. You tell them that they should feel ashamed of who they are. All for no real reason other than the fact that you think two men having sex is icky. You're a bigot, Phat. You've failed to justify your bigotry. Utterly. If you don't like being labelled a bigot, you could always try not being a bigot. The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Rahvin writes: All for no real reason other than the fact that you think two men having sex is icky. Me thinks Phat protests too loudly.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Rahvin writes: Is it entirely possible for God..if God exists, to Himself be bigoted?
It's entirely possible for the "Word of God" or your interpretation thereof to be completely bigoted. Rahvin writes: Allow me to get personal. What if I told you that you were in sin if you didn't love God more than you loved your significant other? Would I be a bigot by telling you this and if so, why?
Here's the thing, Phat - if you see anything remotely wrong with being homosexual as opposed to heterosexual, you're a bigot. Pure and simple. Same as if you considered there to be anything remotely wrong with being black as opposed to being white. You'd be a bigot then, too. If you think your responsibility as a "role model" is to discourage homosexual relationships, you're a bigot. If you think your responsibility as a "role mode" is to discourage interracial relationships, you're a bigot. If you think that the "Word of God" compels you to do any of the above...you're still a bigot. None of your hand-waving or navel gazing or rationalizing has made even a little bit of difference. Rahvin writes: Not at all. What I believe is that the God I worship is the Creator of all seen and unseen and is superior to all human wisdom,faith, and belief. People are all created equal, though some are born handicapped, poor, or blind...they have equal heart and equal worth. We are all equally sinful as well. The question, I suppose is whether we need God, as I understand Him. I think we do. What makes you a bigot is very simple: you believe that some superficial classes of people are superior to others. Edited by Phat, :
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Phat writes: What if I told you that you were in sin if you didn't love God more than you loved your significant other? Why not quote the bible now? . . .
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dronester writes: After 120 posts, Phat has demonstrated he has the mindset EXACTLY equivalent to a three-year-old child who believes in the Easter Bunny, or a religious terrorists who would kill innocent women and children. There is no argument from logic that will penetrate his concrete brain. And there is no plea from morality and ethics that would sway his heart. IMO, Phat's fragile life would be irreparably crushed if he would even momentarily consider the forum's posts. He has willfully chosen to go to his grave believing he has a PERSONAL relationship with a mythical, invisible being riding around in the clouds. He is not alone. Half(?) the people in america have similar beliefs. Is it any wonder america has so much violence and retardation. As I mentioned previously, there are COUNTLESS ridiculous pronouncements from god in Deuteronomy and Leviticus he could latch on to. Yet Phat specifically chose the gay-card, PUBLIC intervention in regards to another person's genitals! That would suggest to any psychology-101-student that Phat has inner demons he cannot himself exorcise. At this point, I would also wonder if Phat's upbringing was also toxic. Phat, get thee to a first-rate therapist, you got a long difficult road in front of you. I say this in the same spirit in which you addressed me:
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Phat writes:
Is there a 'not' missing from that? People are all created equal. We are, however, equally sinful.i.e. "People are not all created equal." Because otherwise, it doesn't quite make sense. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Phat writes: After 122 posts, Dronester has demonstrated, as he does elsewhere at EvC, that he is an intelligent and educated man of critical thought. Well, how rude, now you're just being nasty. When I was in Burma, I visited a glass encased temple that was air-conditioned so that the marble Buddha statue inside would be 'comfortable.' The whole building must have cost a mint. The EXTREMELY poor villagers would come and give offerings (money, fruit, flowers). But I thought, If only they would give EACHOTHER their time, money and efforts, their lot in life would significantly improve. Afterall, they been doing this for centuries, it would seem their god would eventually start giving back if their offerings had ANY merit. Yet they are STILL catastrophically poor. It is like people who continue to pray even though studies have shown their is NO benefit. So this is my takeaway question when I see people toiling in effort for an invisible, non-existent god: Is there so much love and kindness in this world that we can waste it on imaginary beings?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
The illusion of piety is reward in itself. Perhaps.
Edited by 1.61803, : added perhaps."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I changed it. I can always edit my posts...they are collectively a work in progress.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
The illusion of piety is reward in itself. Perhaps. When children go without shelter or food, is piety really that rewarding? When a child starves to death, it isn't a quick merciful death. To die from malnutrition is a long drawn out agonizing pitiful death. So, in comparison, how rewarding would you say is that "piety"? Can I paraphrase?: Is there so much piety in life that we can waste it on imaginerary characters?
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
According to dictionary.com (watch me argue ad dictionarium), a bigot is:
Is it entirely possible for God..if God exists, to Himself be bigoted?quote:If your God was a person, He'd certainly pass that test.
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