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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus said that Moses loosened the Law on divorce because of the hardness of heart he found in the Israelite men. Commentaries described them as divorcing their wives for all kinds of trivial reasons, like how they burned the food and so on. The Law itself is still "God hates divorce" despite Moses' loosening of it for the sake of accommodating a strong if bad habit, presumably to keep the peace or something along those lines.
There is plenty of argument about possible acceptable reasons for divorce and certainly unfaithfulness ("fornication") is often considered a good reason. Some argue even against that, however. But "God hates divorce" stands pretty much as the bottom line in all cases. Unfortunately the churches have joined the culture in allowing easy divorce, being far more lenient than even Moses was. I think most churches go way too far these days. The divorce statistic for Christians is indistinguishable from that for nonChristians. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Women could not divorce their husbands in the time of Moses. They couldn't do much of anything in the time of Moses.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Well yea according to the bible, women are little more then baby making cattle. with the same rights as cattle.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Well, considering how astonishingly wrong you have consistently been about just about everything else, I am most definitely going to take the rabbi's word over yours on this one.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think I swent too far in my own comment. Women couldn't divorce their husbands in Moses' time, and didn't have many of the rights men had, but there are some very strong women in the Bible, and some very loving relationships between spouses too. It's not always the harsh "chattel" idea that is so familiar.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
By this aren't you saying that you and other religions disagree on whether or not "God hates divorce"? What bible passage are you using to justify your disagreement with these other religions?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I've always thought that religions are vast piles of sentences saying an enormous variety of not necessarily consistent things, so somebody could claim whatever they want and pretend to have divine right behind them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I am not addressing "other religions" at all. I chose Chrisxtianity because I was persuaded it's true, the Bible is actually given to us by God Himself, and in making that choice I gave up all other religions as false. Not without studying them to some extent. I read my way to belief over a period of years and recognized that the truth is in the Bible so what other religions say may have some academic interest but that's about all.
I thought Jesus quoted "God hates diveroce" but I can't find it. It does occur in the OT in Malachi in a translation I don't use: (NASB) 16 For I hatedivorce, says the Lord, the God of Israel, I didn't look up the other translations but they would just have variations on this same meaning. Jesus doesn't quote it, he merely expands on it, saying the woman is caused to commit adultery if you divorce her.. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
But you certainly shouldn't be punished for what someone else did.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You wrote
quote:Simple things like Newton's laws can result in things that baffle supercomputers, like the trajectories of asteroids in the Solar System over the long term. But my point was not that the universe is simple, but that complex things can arise from simplicity, so there is no need to postulate a creator deity to explain the universe.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
That makes sense.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
But surely there had to be some who thought up the idea first?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You write
quote:By your way of thinking, the idea of a secret agent with a license to kill, equipped with clever gadgets, etc. is not an "illogical" thing, even though a particular one labeled 007 doesn't exist. Fair enough. But the idea of Tarot cards (which we agree do exist) telling your future is not logical, even though one could go through the process of reading someone's fortune and, often (especially with a judicious use of cold reading) attain surprising accuracy. In the same way that the process of Tarot card reading is not a logical method of foretelling the future, the idea of a deity (by whatever you mean your deity to be, whether an explanation for lightning bolts or a morality car wash to clean away your sins) is not a logical thing.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 623 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
It's tough to stake out the position that there is no evidence for a deity in the face of statements that some of the great philosophers of the past have thought there was a deity.
Nevertheless...
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Sarah Bellum writes: But surely there had to be some who thought up the idea first? Sure but it's developmental, simple ideas become more elaborate as tails are told. Christianity formed from Judeism. Islam from both. Splits and schisms create varieties - Sunnies and Shi'ites, Catholics and Protestants, Orthodox and non-Orthodox But also sometimes religions are made up entirely by a single individual - Mormonism, Scientology. It's evolution combined with special creation.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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